Notice: Player Defensive Experience Reset

[jkdhoo]

Hey guys, I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that the player experience earned was wiped out when promoted to the new league. I had trained Roger Maris to be an above average CF but I'll have to stick him back in RF after the league promotion. I don't know if this will happen every time but I would guess so. Just an FYI if you had been working on multiple positions in the feeder league!

[Kushiel]

I think they keep their learned experience in defense once they are out of the Pool and start regular leagues. It seems that I remember Markus saying Pool abilities learned would not carry over.

[One Post Wonder]

I hope so. I was retraining players at 3 positions last year so that hurts.

[Maddox]

How does retraining work? Lets say I find a RF only who I want to play in LF? Will they become a passable left fielder if I play them every day?

[Matt Arnold]

Yes, defensive experience gets reset coming out of the entry pool, but it should carry over between league seasons going forward.

[Galeg]

Originally Posted by Maddox

How does retraining work? Lets say I find a RF only who I want to play in LF? Will they become a passable left fielder if I play them every day?

A formula using OF range, arm, and error will give someone max position ratings they can eventually learn in the OF. Any competent CF or RF should be able to learn to play LF well, as I believe that has the lowest requirements.

[stl jason]

does it take their current arm/error/etc ratings and extrapolate numbers for their new position, or will that be completely random?

wondering if I took an IF or OF and tried to train them as a catcher, how would their catcher's ability look.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by stl jason

does it take their current arm/error/etc ratings and extrapolate numbers for their new position, or will that be completely random?

wondering if I took an IF or OF and tried to train them as a catcher, how would their catcher's ability look.

The component ratings won't change in PT. So if a guy doesn't have a catcher ability rating right now, no matter how much you play him as a Catcher, he won't learn it in PT.

Some guys do have some component ratings. So, for example, Trevor Story has some OF range/error/arm ratings, so you could eventually (~1 season?) train him to play an OF position. He probably won't be good, but could play it with time. Some won't - my 2004 Ichiro card would probably never be able to get an IF rating no matter how much I played him there.

[ike121212]

Thanks for the warning. Very irritating that they did this.

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yes, defensive experience gets reset coming out of the entry pool, but it should carry over between league seasons going forward.

Should? I hope that I'm not killing my team by playing Jordon Adell at LF, Jose Altuve at SS, and Bobby Crosby at 2B for nothing this year... I've started out 1-2 so far despite having a massive talent advantage over the teams I've played mostly because poor Jose Altuve has committed 4 errors at SS and has a -2.0 ZR already.

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by ike121212

Thanks for the warning. Very irritating that they did this.

I knew it was going to happen as they had mentioned it a week or so ago but I played guys out of position in the entry pool anyways just to see how good they'd get. I had Jordon Adell all that way up to a 70 rating in LF (he's a good CF and a great RF). Sad to see it back at zero.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by ASURay

I knew it was going to happen as they had mentioned it a week or so ago but I played guys out of position in the entry pool anyways just to see how good they'd get. I had Jordon Adell all that way up to a 70 rating in LF (he's a good CF and a great RF). Sad to see it back at zero.

I hadn't heard it and it messes with my team significantly too.

It's an illogical thing to do. Entry pool is exactly where you should learn new positions. Anyone who doesn't check in here is now wondering if they reset every season, with good reason.

[zrog2000]

It really has never made sense to me that a good CF would have a 0 rating in LF or RF if he has never played there. There should be a higher minimum rating for positions that should be easy for a player to switch to even with no experience. (CF to RF/LF or SS to 2B, etc.) It's not like learning a brand new sport.

[el_gringo]

Oof, was wondering if my team started off 1-3 due to bad luck or something... Turns out having 4 players on the field with zero defensive ratings where they're currently playing means a lot of errors

[One Post Wonder]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

It really has never made sense to me that a good CF would have a 0 rating in LF or RF if he has never played there. There should be a higher minimum rating for positions that should be easy for a player to switch to even with no experience. (CF to RF/LF or SS to 2B, etc.) It's not like learning a brand new sport.

I'm pretty sure the core defensive ratings (range/arm/errors) still have a pretty big effect. A CF with great ratings but 0 experience in left would probably play better than a 40 rated left fielder who is one of those 1B/LF types.

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

I'm pretty sure the core defensive ratings (range/arm/errors) still have a pretty big effect. A CF with great ratings but 0 experience in left would probably play better than a 40 rated left fielder who is one of those 1B/LF types.

Well that makes sense! It's just a little worrisome when you see the LF rating: 3 after playing 1 game there.

[Motorhead667]

Can pitchers learn new pitches?

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

It really has never made sense to me that a good CF would have a 0 rating in LF or RF if he has never played there. There should be a higher minimum rating for positions that should be easy for a player to switch to even with no experience. (CF to RF/LF or SS to 2B, etc.) It's not like learning a brand new sport.

You and me both. It would make way more sense, IMO if guys started off with some baseline ability at every position based on their fielding ratings (range/arm/error/DP) and then could add to that with experience. No one can craft a reasonable argument for Andrelton Simmons, for example being one of the worst defensive 2B in the league for 100 games while he "learns" to play 2B despite being arguably the best defensive SS. Heck, many major leaguers learn a new position in a week or two during spring training while working with a positional coach. The positional rating should be like 85% ability and 15% experience.

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by ike121212

I hadn't heard it and it messes with my team significantly too.

It's an illogical thing to do. Entry pool is exactly where you should learn new positions. Anyone who doesn't check in here is now wondering if they reset every season, with good reason.

The entry pool is just a place to park teams until they can get in a league, I think. None of the info is saved. You can't go back and view entry pool stats, for example.

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

I'm pretty sure the core defensive ratings (range/arm/errors) still have a pretty big effect. A CF with great ratings but 0 experience in left would probably play better than a 40 rated left fielder who is one of those 1B/LF types.

I don't think this is the case. From my experience as well as things I've seen devs mention on here over the years, positional rating is the determining factor for defensive performance. I remember running Seattle in an old version of the game (v13, maybe?) and playing Brendan Ryan at 2B. He was a ~99 defender at SS but had no 2B experience. Over the first half of the season he had like 20 errors and a massive, negative ZR at 2B.