Historic relievers

OMGPuppies · 03-06-2019, 01:23 AM

I'm running a team with no Live players. I am having trouble finding good relievers. What non Live relievers have you guys been having success with?

KleineBiere · 03-06-2019, 01:54 AM

86 OVR Rivera

and this guy:

Dogberry99 · 03-06-2019, 02:56 AM

For the purposes of this discussion, are we ignoring starters in relief roles?

I have gotten very good production out of both the 2016 Zach Britton (88 Ovr, Lefty) and the 1927 Wilcy Moore (88 Ovr, 41 Stamina)

Kushiel · 03-06-2019, 06:21 AM

Wilcy is a monster in relief up through Diamond in my experience. My FTP team with him loves him.

justpatrick · 03-06-2019, 08:00 AM

Speaking of monsters, Dick Radatz has been great for me.

stl jason · 03-06-2019, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

Wilcy is a monster in relief up through Diamond in my experience. My FTP team with him loves him.

for a 'your mileage may vary' flip side view.... I picked up Wilcy Moore for my Gold league pre-ww2 team, hoping he would be a solid reliever/closer for the squad...

in 2 seasons, he blew more games than he saved, had a record of something like 4-22 and was abysmal.... needless to say, he's no longer with the team...

glad to know someone has had some luck with him.

OMGPuppies · 03-06-2019, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogberry99

For the purposes of this discussion, are we ignoring starters in relief roles?

I have gotten very good production out of both the 2016 Zach Britton (88 Ovr, Lefty) and the 1927 Wilcy Moore (88 Ovr, 41 Stamina)

Let's consider starters in relief roles too. Ideally looking up to the 3K PP range. Cheaper the better.

justpatrick · 03-06-2019, 11:56 AM

Dierker has been great for me as a reliever in Diamond. He gets a bit of a stuff increase when you make him a reliever, which certainly doesn´t hurt, and has been very reliable from season to season.

Findest2001 · 03-06-2019, 11:59 AM

Believe it or not Rod Beck has worked wonders for me.

Dunzie · 03-06-2019, 12:08 PM

3K for a reliable reliever at the higher levels is a bit of a tall order. I was all set to recommend Papelbon or Nathan or Diaz or Treinen.

For less money I haven't found too many that do well at Perfect or Diamond. At least consistently. So far (knock on wood) Osuna has been OK for me at perfect for a silver. But admittedly I'm running him in "avoid high leverage" mode.

I've had mixed results with all the Riveras but the only one I'd consider is the 86 overall and he isn't cheap. Same mixed results with Britton. If I was determined to find a guy at 3k or less I think I'd try to find a starter with very good control and decent stuff and movement, and see if changing him to a reliever bumped up his stuff a little bit. Check the thread DonkeyKong started with the database and see if any guys there appeal to you. I've had great success using Corbin as a reliever over the seasons, for some reason he just seems to excel for me there vs being a starter. Dierker on the other hand has never worked well for me in either role despite the fact others DO seem to have success with him. John Smoltz 96 is hit or miss at perfect as a starter, but he's been phenomenal for me as a reliever. I'd experiment with starters. I've started running Aaron Bummer (silver live) as a lefty specialist and so far (again knock on wood) pretty good...

The Game · 03-06-2019, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

I'm running a team with no Live players. I am having trouble finding good relievers. What non Live relievers have you guys been having success with?

i am not sure on the year or category for some of them but i have Roberto Hernandez, Hoyt Wilhelm & Keith Foulke.

DrTobiasFunke · 03-06-2019, 01:21 PM

Vic Raschi and Mark Langston (both 85/50/50 out of 80 as RP) have been tearing up my current Silver league. Dunno how they'll fare against tougher competition, but fwiw I haven't really found what I'd consider a good replacement in the affordable/non-rare gold range. Bob Turley also has some nice stats (90/50/45 as RP) but I haven't really had a chance to try him with Raschi killing it.

pappyzan · 03-06-2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DrTobiasFunke

Vic Raschi and Mark Langston (both 85/50/50 out of 80 as RP) have been tearing up my current Silver league. Dunno how they'll fare against tougher competition, but fwiw I haven't really found what I'd consider a good replacement in the affordable/non-rare gold range. Bob Turley also has some nice stats (90/50/45 as RP) but I haven't really had a chance to try him with Raschi killing it.

Raschi & Langston as a R/L combo in the bullpen are indeed great thru gold, and at times they can be effective in diamond too. I bled thru this same combo as stoppers in the pen until they were shelled and obliterated in perfect.

max venerabel · 03-06-2019, 02:29 PM

Jose Mesa has been good and cheap for me at Perfect level.

DrTobiasFunke · 03-06-2019, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pappyzan

Raschi & Langston as a R/L combo in the bullpen are indeed great thru gold, and at times they can be effective in diamond too. I bled thru this same combo as stoppers in the pen until they were shelled and obliterated in perfect.

Good to hear they'll hold up for a while. Vic has been insane this season, I've never seen a reliever rack up WAR like this:

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pappyzan · 03-06-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrTobiasFunke

Good to hear they'll hold up for a while. Vic has been insane this season, I've never seen a reliever rack up WAR like this:

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Yep, eventually their luck runs out as they just don't have high enough movement to be effective in perfect. They weren't awful in diamond, just not consistently good; those cards had their moments tho.

nickwatic · 03-08-2019, 02:48 PM

Wilcy Moore, Mariano Rivera (all versions), Tom Gordon,

chazzycat · 03-08-2019, 03:30 PM

There are actually quite a lot of good options, the main problem is their cost. Good historical relievers can cost 20k pp or so.

Rollie Fingers
Satchel Paige
Trevor Hoffman
Mo Rivera (86 is the best one affordable to mortals)
Robb Nen
Brian Wilson
Zack Britton (not the live one)
Tug McGraw
Hersh Freeman

Those come to mind as the ones that have been consistently successful for me through diamond. I don't think there is such a thing as relievers that are consistently good in perfect. Not affordable ones anyway.

<Pion> · 03-08-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DrTobiasFunke

Vic Raschi and Mark Langston (both 85/50/50 out of 80 as RP) have been tearing up my current Silver league. Dunno how they'll fare against tougher competition, but fwiw I haven't really found what I'd consider a good replacement in the affordable/non-rare gold range. Bob Turley also has some nice stats (90/50/45 as RP) but I haven't really had a chance to try him with Raschi killing it.

Can't understand why so many have good results with Raschi. Had him on three different teams and he stunk up the place equally. But it looks like he should be good, so more power to those who he does pitch well for.

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Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,697	Wilcy is a monster in relief up through Diamond in my experience. My FTP team with him loves him. __________________ *Favente Deo supero*

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max venerabel Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 103	Jose Mesa has been good and cheap for me at Perfect level. __________________ New York Ospreys

03-06-2019, 01:54 AM	#2
KleineBiere Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 108	86 OVR Rivera and this guy:

03-06-2019, 08:00 AM	#5
justpatrick Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 305	Speaking of monsters, Dick Radatz has been great for me.

03-06-2019, 11:56 AM	#8
justpatrick Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 305	Dierker has been great for me as a reliever in Diamond. He gets a bit of a stuff increase when you make him a reliever, which certainly doesn´t hurt, and has been very reliable from season to season.

03-06-2019, 11:59 AM	#9
Findest2001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 960	Believe it or not Rod Beck has worked wonders for me.

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Dunzie All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Guelph, ON, CAN Posts: 588	3K for a reliable reliever at the higher levels is a bit of a tall order. I was all set to recommend Papelbon or Nathan or Diaz or Treinen. For less money I haven't found too many that do well at Perfect or Diamond. At least consistently. So far (knock on wood) Osuna has been OK for me at perfect for a silver. But admittedly I'm running him in "avoid high leverage" mode. I've had mixed results with all the Riveras but the only one I'd consider is the 86 overall and he isn't cheap. Same mixed results with Britton. If I was determined to find a guy at 3k or less I think I'd try to find a starter with very good control and decent stuff and movement, and see if changing him to a reliever bumped up his stuff a little bit. Check the thread DonkeyKong started with the database and see if any guys there appeal to you. I've had great success using Corbin as a reliever over the seasons, for some reason he just seems to excel for me there vs being a starter. Dierker on the other hand has never worked well for me in either role despite the fact others DO seem to have success with him. John Smoltz 96 is hit or miss at perfect as a starter, but he's been phenomenal for me as a reliever. I'd experiment with starters. I've started running Aaron Bummer (silver live) as a lefty specialist and so far (again knock on wood) pretty good...

03-06-2019, 01:21 PM	#12
DrTobiasFunke Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 59	Vic Raschi and Mark Langston (both 85/50/50 out of 80 as RP) have been tearing up my current Silver league. Dunno how they'll fare against tougher competition, but fwiw I haven't really found what I'd consider a good replacement in the affordable/non-rare gold range. Bob Turley also has some nice stats (90/50/45 as RP) but I haven't really had a chance to try him with Raschi killing it.

03-08-2019, 02:48 PM	#17
nickwatic Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 195 Blog Entries: 1	Wilcy Moore, Mariano Rivera (all versions), Tom Gordon,

03-08-2019, 03:30 PM	#18
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	There are actually quite a lot of good options, the main problem is their cost. Good historical relievers can cost 20k pp or so. Rollie Fingers Satchel Paige Trevor Hoffman Mo Rivera (86 is the best one affordable to mortals) Robb Nen Brian Wilson Zack Britton (not the live one) Tug McGraw Hersh Freeman Those come to mind as the ones that have been consistently successful for me through diamond. I don't think there is such a thing as relievers that are consistently good in perfect. Not affordable ones anyway.