Astro's Punishment

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Hiring Dusty Baker as manager must be considered punishment, yes?

https://www.mlb.com/news/dusty-baker-astros

The ultimate punishment

[Westheim]

I guess Jim Crane is looking for a "no BS" guy?

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Westheim

I guess Jim Crane is looking for a "no BS" guy?

Instead they just got a ‘s’ guy

[low]

It's cool. Dusty fits right in. Instead of managing one cheater he now has a full team of them at his disposal.

[ukhotstove]

Is he there just for a season? Not heard his contract details as of yet.

[Rizon]

The Astros punishment continues.

Sources: Dusty Baker, Astros reach 2-year deal

Edit: didn't realize this was talked about yesterday

[Cobra Mgr]

It just astounds me how a mgr who won MOY 3 times, made the postseason 8 times, won the division 5 times, & a pennant once garnishes such criticism from you guys. Astonishing.

[Boomcoach]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It just astounds me how a mgr who won MOY 3 times, made the postseason 8 times, won the division 5 times, & a pennant once garnishes such criticism from you guys. Astonishing.

As a Reds fan, I thought Dusty was the perfect fit when he came. I think most of the criticism of Dusty comes from his handling of Sammy Sosa, which was to defer to him completely, no matter how poorly Sammy was doing, and his ineffectiveness in the playoffs.

My take on Dusty is that he is great at managing the team itself, through the long baseball season. His weakness is in-game management, which really comes through in he playoffs.

In July, on a 12 day road trip, he is good at keeping spirits up and keeping the clubhouse from getting poisonous and, in baseball, that is a very important things. Players are semi-cloistered together more in baseball than in most sports and someone who can "manage" that situation can get the best out of a team, especially a team with as many young players as the Reds had during his tenure.

I think if he has a good bench coach who can make the in-game decisions, Dusty can be very effective.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Boomcoach

As a Reds fan, I thought Dusty was the perfect fit when he came. I think most of the criticism of Dusty comes from his handling of Sammy Sosa, which was to defer to him completely, no matter how poorly Sammy was doing, and his ineffectiveness in the playoffs.

My take on Dusty is that he is great at managing the team itself, through the long baseball season. His weakness is in-game management, which really comes through in he playoffs.

In July, on a 12 day road trip, he is good at keeping spirits up and keeping the clubhouse from getting poisonous and, in baseball, that is a very important things. Players are semi-cloistered together more in baseball than in most sports and someone who can "manage" that situation can get the best out of a team, especially a team with as many young players as the Reds had during his tenure.

I think if he has a good bench coach who can make the in-game decisions, Dusty can be very effective.

This. I'm a Reds fan as well and I really hated to see him go.

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It just astounds me how a mgr who won MOY 3 times, made the postseason 8 times, won the division 5 times, & a pennant once garnishes such criticism from you guys. Astonishing.

He literally said he doesn't like having too many people on the bases and that home runs are bad because they kill rallies.

Fortunately managers don't really do anything besides communicate between the front office and players then answer the same questions from worthless media types so having an idiot like him doesn't matter all that much.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by dkgo

He literally said he doesn't like having too many people on the bases and that home runs are bad because they kill rallies.

He could say base on balls kill puppies if he wins.

[ukhotstove]

I found this interesting specially about starting pitchers, start of his management career he didnt let starters go too deep compared to other managers. Then innings pitched wise he started to grind his starting pitchers into the ground, which is what I've always gathered from the pros, reporters and fans is the problem with Baker. Be interesting to see how he handles pitchers, specially starting pitchers in the age of pitch counts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...ordso-far/amp/

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It just astounds me how a mgr who won MOY 3 times, made the postseason 8 times, won the division 5 times, & a pennant once garnishes such criticism from you guys. Astonishing.

Originally Posted by Boomcoach

his ineffectiveness in the playoffs.

My take on Dusty is that he is great at managing the team itself, through the long baseball season. His weakness is in-game management, which really comes through in he playoffs.

1 pennant in 22 years of coaching? (see highlighted above). He's also 70 years old.

His management of pitching rotations was god awful. Also, not someone you'd want making difficult on the fly decisions (see highlighted above, where his failures really bite you in the ass). I think you'd expect better from someone who has lived their entire life in baseball.

Make no mistake: the Astros will finish somewhere around 97-65. Dusty could be up for manager of the year again (woohoo!). But he will promptly be trounced 0-3 in the Divisional Round, in typical Dusty fashion. None of those awards can improve his 23-32 playoff record. None of those awards will help Dusty break his 17 year record of not winning a playoff series.

Dusty seems like a good person with a good heart. Players love him. But I'd never want him as a manager (again). Would make a great bench coach, though.

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

He could say base on balls kill puppies if he wins.

"He" contributes close to nothing to winning. Possibly even a negative amount. The Astros will be fine because even though they were cheating they still have better players than most everyone else. Just as long as he doesn't call for a bunt every time someone is on base.

[GeoWar]

Baker is a players manager ... not sure if he is the best for the Astro's controversy but the player's will like playing for him . And though he signed for two years look for it to be a one year deal.

[ezpkns34]

Article with a link to a site where someone collected some more specific data on how the Astros cheated, along with data on which players used it and how often

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/inside-...155724616.html

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Rizon

1 pennant in 22 years of coaching? (see highlighted above). He's also 70 years old.

His management of pitching rotations was god awful. Also, not someone you'd want making difficult on the fly decisions (see highlighted above, where his failures really bite you in the ass). I think you'd expect better from someone who has lived their entire life in baseball.

Make no mistake: the Astros will finish somewhere around 97-65. Dusty could be up for manager of the year again (woohoo!). But he will promptly be trounced 0-3 in the Divisional Round, in typical Dusty fashion. None of those awards can improve his 23-32 playoff record. None of those awards will help Dusty break his 17 year record of not winning a playoff series.

Dusty seems like a good person with a good heart. Players love him. But I'd never want him as a manager (again). Would make a great bench coach, though.

Originally Posted by dkgo

"He" contributes close to nothing to winning. Possibly even a negative amount. The Astros will be fine because even though they were cheating they still have better players than most everyone else. Just as long as he doesn't call for a bunt every time someone is on base.

It just astounds me how a mgr who won MOY 3 times, made the postseason 8 times, won the division 5 times, & a pennant once garnishes such criticism from you guys. Astonishing.



How many former managers are alive today? How many of them have passed the *snicker* "only one" threshold? But Dusty just lucked himself to 3 MOY awards.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It just astounds me how a mgr who won MOY 3 times, made the postseason 8 times, won the division 5 times, & a pennant once garnishes such criticism from you guys. Astonishing.

Why would you be astounded or astonished?

Have you not seen the world at large around you where everything must be caged as good or bad, black or white?

It's worse, of course, in the sports world

Baker, like everyone, has some strengths and weaknesses.

Some will key on the weaknesses and, to them, Baker is a terrible manager
Others will key on his strengths and, to them, he's a great manager

Anything resembling nuance seems to be lost on a large part of the populace these days.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

How many former managers are alive today? How many of them have passed the *snicker* "only one" threshold? But Dusty just lucked himself to 3 MOY awards.

Consider what Manager of the Year means then tell me its a big deal.

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The Manager of the Year is a Manager who was given superior players by his General Manager and who won a lot of games because he didn't screw the team up with bad in game decisions, bad lineups, bad player evaluations, or by pissing the players off. It helps if those making pre season predictions under estimated the talent of the team and are thus surprised by the performance. The will attribute the better than expected performance to the Manager rather than their own errors.

The Manager of the Year isn't necessarily the Manager of the team which won the most games. The most successful Manager can be ignored for many reasons, including having recently been Manager of the Year, managing a team with a very high payroll, managing a team perceived to win too much, having effective but boring players, or being personally disliked.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Consider what Manager of the Year means then tell me its a big deal.

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The Manager of the Year is a Manager who was given superior players by his General Manager and who won a lot of games because he didn't screw the team up with bad in game decisions, bad lineups, bad player evaluations, or by pissing the players off. It helps if those making pre season predictions under estimated the talent of the team and are thus surprised by the performance. The will attribute the better than expected performance to the Manager rather than their own errors.

The Manager of the Year isn't necessarily the Manager of the team which won the most games. The most successful Manager can be ignored for many reasons, including having recently been Manager of the Year, managing a team with a very high payroll, managing a team perceived to win too much, having effective but boring players, or being personally disliked.

That's not every year and you know it.