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Old 07-18-2013, 04:56 PM   #1
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Attention historical photo and facegen modders...

...Just noticed this while pokin' around the Master.csv file. There are now two (have been since 2010) Ike Davises. Ike M Davis, who played from 1919-1925 and the active Ike B Davis (2010-2012). If I find anything else, I'll post it in here.

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Old 07-18-2013, 05:27 PM   #2
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Probably be a good idea to post this in the "MOD" forum, where the Modders usually visit.
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:29 PM   #3
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Probably be a good idea to post this in the "MOD" forum, where the Modders usually visit.
I don't want to make two of the same thread, so I'll let a moderator decide this one's fate. Wherever it winds up, it winds up. *shrug*

Also, Tony DeFrancesco is given a debut and final year as a player, when he's a manager only.
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:32 PM   #4
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Juan C Diaz (2002-2002)
Juan H Diaz (2012-2012)

Jim B Donnelly (1884-1898)
Jim H Donnelly (1884-1884)

Adam T Eaton (2000-2009)
Adam C Eaton (2012-2012)

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Old 07-18-2013, 11:36 PM   #5
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:49 AM   #6
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Take it away Spritze. You'll probably motor through it and finish it off for me.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:11 PM   #7
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Andrew A Brown (2006-2008)
Andrew M Brown (2011-2012)

What about the former Fausto Carmona, who's now Roberto Hernandez, whose name has already appeared at least once?

Chris Carpenter (1997-2012)
Chris J Carpenter (2011-2012)

David D Carpenter (2011-2012)
David L Carpenter (2012-2012)

Chris W Carter (2008-2010)
Chris V Carter (2010-2012)

Pedro J Hernandez (1979-1982)
Pedro M Hernandez (2012-2012)

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Old 07-19-2013, 10:12 PM   #8
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Chuckie Fick (2012-2012) in Lahman is C J Fick at BB-Ref. I don't know if it matters as long as the poor guy has a name.

J Fisher (1884-1885) in Lahman is John Fischer at BB-Ref.

Henry Fox (1902-1902) in Lahman is Jacob Fox at BB-Ref.

Jim Galligan (1886-1886) in Lahman is Pete Galligan at BB-Ref.

A. J. Griffin (2012-2012) needs to be A J Griffin to match up with the way you guys do the photos and FaceGens.

L. J. Hoes (2012-2012) needs to be L J Hoes for the same reason. Ditto for J. J. Hoover (2012-2012). Ditto for J.D. Martinez (2011-2012). Add D.J. Mitchell (2012-2012) to that list.

Juan Gutierrez (2007-2011) in Lahman is J C Gutierrez at BB-Ref.

J Haley (1880-1880) in Lahman is James Haley at BB-Ref.

U Kavanaugh (1872-1872) in Lahman is James Cavanagh at BB-Ref.

Kid Keenan (1891-1891) in Lahman is Jack Keenan at BB-Ref and there's no sign of a nickname there.

Bill Loughran (1883-1883) in Lahman is Patrick O'Loughlin at BB-Ref, and U Loughlin (1884-1884) in Lahman is now Bill Loughran at BB-Ref. Confused yet?

Joe McDermott (1871-1872) in Lahman is James McDermott at BB-Ref.

There are also 2 Jack McDonalds, which are obvious duplicates of each other as they are both mcdonja01, with the same birthday, height, weight, ratings etc etc.

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Old 07-21-2013, 06:19 PM   #9
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:24 PM   #10
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Luis Martinez (2003-2003)
Luis M Martinez (2011-2012)

I'm beginning to think Bluenoser was right (mea maxima culpa for thinking it should go here - I wanted more eyes on it, - but it's getting quite lengthy now) and that this should go in the OOTP Mods - Rosters, Photos and Quickstarts section of the forum where it has more relevance. If a moderator would be so kind as to move it there, I'd be eternally grateful. Thanks in advance.

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Old 07-24-2013, 06:45 PM   #11
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:04 PM   #12
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Sicnarf Loopstok - m.bbref.com
That's awesome.

Edit 1: Although, sicnarf is francis spelled backwards, so...hmm.

Edit 2: Francis Kotspool I see...Nice.

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Old 08-03-2013, 08:28 PM   #13
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A. J. Pollock should be A J Pollock for the same reason as the guys above. Ditto for A. J. Ramos. Ditto for B. J. Rosenberg. john W Russell needs to be capitalized.

Erasmo Ramirez (2003-2007) and Erasmo J Ramirez (2012-2012).

Eddy DR Rodriguez (2004-2006) and Eddy CU Rodriguez (2012-2012). No initials to distinguish them, so had to go with countries of origin.

Francisco J Rodriguez (2002-2012) and Francisco Rodriguez (2010-2011).

Henry L Rodriguez (1992-2002), Henry Rodriguez (2009-2012), and Henry M Rodriguez (2012-2012), all of whom have middle names beginning with the letter "A", so you have to use the mother's maiden name to break the tie.

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Old 08-03-2013, 10:32 PM   #14
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A. J. Pollock should be A J Pollock for the same reason as the guys above. Ditto for A. J. Ramos.
Appreciate all this.

Just a note. I really prefer to have the current players in the official db have the initials with periods. Whenever I add anyone with initials to the db I do so using periods, except in a few cases where the player doesn't actually use the periods. Pretty sure the rest of the roster team does the same.

So I'd say the facegens and photos should change to match the db, not the other way around.

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:04 PM   #15
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Appreciate all this.

Just a note. I really prefer to have the current players in the official db have the initials with periods. Whenever I add anyone with initiaks to the db I do so using periods, except in a few cases where the player doesn't actually use the periods. Pretty sure the rest of the roster team does the same.

So I'd say the facegens and photos should change to match the db, not the other way around.
Agree with you about the periods, but that's not how the photo and face gen folks are doing it (I think). It has something to do with linking to the images. I can't explain it. It would be better if one of the folks who poured their blood, sweat, and tears into those massive undertakings did.

It might be more work to switch it back now because most of the initialed guys are done the way I'm doing them. Then again, you seem to be indicating that you're only doing it for the current players, so...

Edit: I think I remember that the thinking was that if you're gonna make it Ike B Davis, and not Ike B. Davis that the initials should be treated the same way i.e. no periods. Does that jive with any face gen and photo folks out there?

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:36 PM   #16
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Could rename the third Mike Stanton in history to Giancarlo Stanton, as that's what he goes by these days and that's how he's listed at BB-Ref.

Mike Wilson (1921-1921)
Mike L Wilson (2011-2011)

Matt J Young (1983-1993)
Matt E Young (2011-2012)

Nitpicking, but Mike B Young (2000-2012) should be Michael Young. Therefore, no need to distinguish between Mike Young (1982-1989) and Michael Young.

Also nitpicking (Hey, I've got my OCD symptoms and the rest of you have yours ), but there is no need to distinguish with an initial between...

Jordan Zimmerman (1999-1999) and
Jordan Zimmermann (2009-2012)

...as they don't have the same sirname.

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Agree with you about the periods, but that's not how the photo and face gen folks are doing it (I think). It has something to do with linking to the images. I can't explain it. It would be better if one of the folks who poured their blood, sweat, and tears into those massive undertakings did.
I do make photos and facegens too. I've always used the initials in the files I make. Never had a problem making/using/loading them with the initials.

So by all means, if there is a problem, please explain it, or allow someone else to do so and we can find a better way to go forward.

But I've never seen a problem myself, I honestly just think that a lot of the photo and facegen makers just don't check their filenames against what's in the db. I am open to hearing otherwise though if that's not the case.

And yeah, I'm only taking about the current players in the MLB quickstart. That's the only players I'm officially involved in making and editing. Anything to do with historical players would have to be coordinated with the historical db guys like Spritze and Gambo.

Either way, this is quite a useful list, given the large amount of discrepancies that do exist, for whatever reason. Please keep these coming.

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I do make photos and facegens too. I've always used the initials in the files I make. Never had a problem making/using/loading them with the initials.

So by all means, if there is a problem, please explain it, or allow someone else to do so and we can find a better way to go forward.

But I've never seen a problem myself, I honestly just think that a lot of the photo and facegen makers just don't check their filenames against what's in the db. I am open to hearing otherwise though if that's not the case.

And yeah, I'm only taking about the current players in the MLB quickstart. That's the only players I'm officially involved in making and editing. Anything to do with historical players would have to be coordinated with the historical db guys like Spritze and Gambo.

Either way, this is quite a useful list, given the large amount of discrepancies that do exist, for whatever reason. Please keep these coming.
I don't think there's a problem per se, I just think (underline the word "think" because I'm not positive) there's a difference between the way you're handling it and the way Spritze/Gambo are handling it, and I'm in the middle just looking for some consistency across the board and a way forward.

As I have now reached Zimmerman/Zimmermann, I don't think I have much more to offer in the way of discrepancies. I think what happened in these cases is new players came into the league between about 2009 and 2012, and some of them had the same names as previous big leaguers. Also there's about four years of research time, and sometimes as in the cases cited, stuff gets discovered about ye olde timers. It happens, and it's damn hard to stay on top of it because of the sheer volume of names (over 18,000 through 2013). I would imagine it's even difficult for Mr. Lahman and the great folks over at BB-Ref, let alone a small company with lots of volunteers, like yourself, putting together a great game every year.

A way forward can certainly be found. I just think it's in the best interests of historical gamers to have that way be consistent across the board.
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Alexis Rios has gone by Alex Rios for a while now, and is listed that way at BB-Ref. That's all I got.

Along the same lines, Stuart Pomeranz in Lahman is Stu Pomeranz at BB-Ref.

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Historical Player Naming Conventions

The _ (underline) separates the first part of a name and the last part of a name. Commonly that is first and last name but often the first part includes initials and middle names as well. Only one underscore is allowed per name.

No commas nor periods allowed in names as biographical and stats data is exchanged from outside sources via comma separated value files.

The outside souces allow duplicate player names but OOTP does not. Those names have to be hand edited on a yearly basis.

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