Bear’s 4-Fs (Fictional Fighters of Film and Fiction) - Page 8

bear · 05-30-2006, 12:07 PM

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Thread contets from posts 1-140

Austin and Jofre's contains 13 fighters-Austin's boxers from the professional and Jofre's Bolt and Palooka.

Bear's 4F thread 1-140 contains 146 Fictional Fighter Files from threads 1-140.

Bear's 4F pics 1-140 contains 58 images (Thanks to Jofre for Ben Bolt, the Palooka toons, and Eddie Brown).
Palooka_Steve_comic, Joe_Palooka1, and acboxing1 have not been resized for the game.

Also notes and cast info for the films covered.

Bear

a87star · 05-30-2006, 04:27 PM

Bear how much longer do you have to go with this project? I have enjoyed it since day one and hope you continue it.

bear · 05-30-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a87star

Bear how much longer do you have to go with this project? I have enjoyed it since day one and hope you continue it.

a87star

Thanks for the positive feedback. I've only touched the surface so far. It will continue. I don't have any estimate on when it will finish up. Plan to do more than TV and film and cover literary efforts as well. I did some of my favorite films as well as some classic ones and I'll follow Romano's alphabetical listing, for the most part although I wont be too rigid with that and skip over some I want to rewatch first.

Bear

Austin · 05-30-2006, 05:49 PM

Bear,

If you would provide me with some leads in literature, I would be glad to help.

Austin

bear · 05-30-2006, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin

Bear,

If you would provide me with some leads in literature, I would be glad to help.

Austin

That would be most welcome. I'll work on something for you. You got off to a good start with The Professional.

Bear

bear · 05-30-2006, 06:20 PM

Austin
Do you have copies of the following two books?:

R.A. Hartley; 'History & Bibliography of Boxing Books' (1989) and 'More Boxing Books' (1995).

They provide a bibliography of boxing titles in English and would identify fictional works.

Bear

a87star · 05-30-2006, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bear

a87star

Thanks for the positive feedback. I've only touched the surface so far. It will continue. I don't have any estimate on when it will finish up. Plan to do more than TV and film and cover literary efforts as well. I did some of my favorite films as well as some classic ones and I'll follow Romano's alphabetical listing, for the most part although I wont be too rigid with that and skip over some I want to rewatch first.

Bear

I figured so. This is tremendous work you are doing. Is the Romano's list anywhere on the web? I'm interested in getting some of this literature to read for myself. If you can help me out as well it would be appreciated.

bear · 05-30-2006, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a87star

I figured so. This is tremendous work you are doing. Is the Romano's list anywhere on the web? I'm interested in getting some of this literature to read for myself. If you can help me out as well it would be appreciated.

a87star
Romano is the author of a book.

Frederick V. Romano
The Boxing Filmography: American Features, 1920-2003
McFarland and Company, Inc., publishers
Jefferson, North Carolina, and London
ISBN 0-7864-1793-5

I got my copy via Amazon. It's an enjoyable read. Has lots of interestesting tidbits like Abie Bain being the influence for Anthony Quinn's portrayal of Mountain Rivera and influence of Buster Keaton's boxing scenes on Scorcese's treatment in Raging Bull.

I'm working from this book and a list of boxing films I compiled using the Internet Movie Database.

I've also used The Internet Broadway Database for info on theatre.

Bear

Austin · 05-30-2006, 08:16 PM

Thanks Bear,

I think a better judgment of a fictional character can be done from a novel than from a character mentioned in passing from a play or movie. I feel that several of the characters from The Professional were done to conservatively on my part. Jofre recommended The Professional as a good read and he was right on!! Excellent book with great development of each character weather they played a major part in the story or not. You had a great idea when you came up with this fictional group; the only danger is rating inflation making it unrealistic.

Austin

bear · 05-30-2006, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin

Thanks Bear,

I think a better judgment of a fictional character can be done from a novel than from a character mentioned in passing from a play or movie. I feel that several of the characters from The Professional were done to conservatively on my part. Jofre recommended The Professional as a good read and he was right on!! Excellent book with great development of each character weather they played a major part in the story or not. You had a great idea when you came up with this fictional group; the only danger is rating inflation making it unrealistic.

Austin

I agree with you on the Professional. I'll be giving it a reread. In the example of Odets Golden Boy I tried to be careful to rate the guys who were merely named into TCs. Rating inflation is a danger especially since every other film character seems to a champion of some sort. I'm trying to give some of these Monte Masters types of champs Monte Masters type of championship ratings. The films, Against the Ropes and Ali both have a number of unnamed boxers in bit parts. With these types I attempt to mix around names of the actors to create more TCs for the sake of balance.

Of the film fighters I've done so far I happiest with Charlie Davis and Ben Chapman (John Garfield and Canada Lee)

Bear

Austin · 06-02-2006, 03:56 PM

H-E-L-P!!!

I downloaded a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee. When I clicked on the boxer Gus Dundee I got the following message; Error Loadingimage'C:\Progra~1\OutOft~1\TITLEB~2\ImagesF ighters\dundee_gus'!

At this point the game frezzes and I have to hit CtrlAltDelete keys to get out of the game. Previously, I had copied Pat Comiskey and saved him as Dundee_Gus.

I deleted Dundee under fighters and deleted Gus Dundee from my fighter list. When I try to download Gus Dundee again from page one of this site, I get the message above and have to get out of the game.

could someone post a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee so I might try to down load it. Any other suggestions??

Thanks in advance,

Austin

bear · 06-02-2006, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin

H-E-L-P!!!

I downloaded a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee. When I clicked on the boxer Gus Dundee I got the following message; Error Loadingimage'C:\Progra~1\OutOft~1\TITLEB~2\ImagesF ighters\dundee_gus'!

At this point the game frezzes and I have to hit CtrlAltDelete keys to get out of the game. Previously, I had copied Pat Comiskey and saved him as Dundee_Gus.

I deleted Dundee under fighters and deleted Gus Dundee from my fighter list. When I try to download Gus Dundee again from page one of this site, I get the message above and have to get out of the game.

could someone post a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee so I might try to down load it. Any other suggestions??

Thanks in advance,

Austin

Austin
Try this. It's an image of Comiskey named as Gus Dundee.

Austin · 06-03-2006, 01:39 AM

Thanks Bear,

I now have a new problem!! When I clicked on the boxer Gus Dundee I got the following message; Error Loadingimage'C:\Progra~1\OutOft~1\TITLEB~2\ImagesF ighters\dundee_gus.doc'! in a dialog box. I clicked OK than selected the Fighter tab. The picture showed as I hoped. Than I clicked another boxer and his picture showed. When I clicked Dundee again the last fighter's picture showed as Dundee. Whoever I pick and than picked Dundee that boxer's picture as Dundee. It only happens with Dundee and I always get the same error message. If I double click it seems to lock up. Any ideas?

Austin

bear · 06-03-2006, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin

Thanks Bear,

I now have a new problem!! When I clicked on the boxer Gus Dundee I got the following message; Error Loadingimage'C:\Progra~1\OutOft~1\TITLEB~2\ImagesF ighters\dundee_gus.doc'! in a dialog box. I clicked OK than selected the Fighter tab. The picture showed as I hoped. Than I clicked another boxer and his picture showed. When I clicked Dundee again the last fighter's picture showed as Dundee. Whoever I pick and than picked Dundee that boxer's picture as Dundee. It only happens with Dundee and I always get the same error message. If I double click it seems to lock up. Any ideas?

Austin

This is out of my depth. Other than deleting files and reloading and following the file naming protocols I'm lost.

Bear

bear · 06-03-2006, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jofre

Austin,

Here is Curly Kayoe's link: http://www.toonopedia.com/kayoe.htm

Here's a stab at Curly

bear · 06-03-2006, 10:13 AM

Body and Soul (1981)
Boxing Cast
Leon Isaac Kennedy .... Leon Johnson
Muhammad Ali .... Himself
Peter Lawford .... Big Man
Robbie Epps .... Iceman
J.B. Williamson .... St. Louis Assassin
Lonnie Bennett .... Random Boxer
Al Chavez .... Random Boxer
John Liechty .... Random Boxer
Andy Price .... Random Boxer
Lonnie Epps .... Random Boxer
Leonard Bailey .... Random Boxer
John Sherrod .... Random Boxer
Dick Young .... Referee
Richard Steele .... Referee
Chuck Bassett .... Referee
Rudy Jordan .... Referee
Dominic Barto .... Referee
Al Denava .... Mad Man Santiago
Alex Garcia .... Mad Man's Manager
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad has a cameo noted by Romano

Gives us

Leon I.K. Johnson WW E8

Bear

bear · 06-03-2006, 10:21 AM

Al Denava .... Mad Man Santiago
Robbie Epps .... Iceman
J.B. Williamson .... St. Louis Assassin

give

Mad Man Santiago WW S8
Iceman Robb WW S5
Jaybee "St. Louis Assassin" Williams WW S4

Bear

bear · 06-03-2006, 10:31 AM

Lonnie Bennett .... Random Boxer
Al Chavez .... Random Boxer
John Liechty .... Random Boxer
Andy Price .... Random Boxer
Lonnie Epps .... Random Boxer
Leonard Bailey .... Random Boxer
John Sherrod .... Random Boxer

give

Price Leonard WW B1
Bennetto Chavez WW S1
Leonard Bennett WW B1
Lonnie Lichty WW S1
Johnny Epps WW B1
Andy Sherrod WW E1

Bear

bear · 06-03-2006, 10:38 AM

continued

Bear

bear · 06-03-2006, 10:54 AM

Penitentiary (1979) Penitentiary II (1982) Penitentiary III (1987)
Boxing Cast
Badja Djola .... Half Dead Johnson I
Ernie Hudson .... Half Dead II
Leon Isaac Kennedy .... Martel Too Sweet Gordone I II III
Thommy Pollard .... Eugene Fish I
Wilbur 'Hi-Fi' White .... Sweet Pea I
not in IMDB but in film (listed with I )
Donovan Womack ... Jesse The Bull Amos Jesse beats up cellmate Eugene loses final bout to TS in I II
Floyd Chatman ...Hezzikia "Seldom Seen" Jackson trainer I
Malik Carter .... Seldom Seen II
Eugene battles "Tough Tony" wins
?? .... "Tough Tony" I
Will Richardson ... Magilla Gorilla, a burly, clumsy inmate loses to Too Sweet I
Cepheus Jaxon ... Poindexter I
Cepheus Jaxon .... Do Dirty II Do Dirty Poindexter
Gerald Berns .... Beau Flynn - Lt. Heavywt. World Champ II
Hawthorne James .... Referee II
Tony Cox .... Midget II
Marvin Jones .... Simp II
Big Bull Bates .... Simp III
Stan Kamber .... Sam II
Dennis Lipscomb .... Announcer II
Mr. T .... Himself II
Glynn Turman .... Charles II brother in law of TS and Mgr.
Ren Woods .... Nikki II
Rudy Ray Moore .... Man on balcony II cameo by Dolemite
also Archie Moore in cameo (not in IMDB) II
Steve Antin .... Roscoe figher trained by Too Sweet beaten up badly III sax player
Raymond Kessler .... Midnight Thud Jessup (as The Haiti Kid) III
Rick Zumwalt .... Joshua III
Greg 'Magic' Schwartz .... Hugo III
Big Yank .... Rock III
Bert Williams .... Tim Shosh III
Mark Kemble .... Rufus III
Jack Rader .... Fred III
Madison Campudoni .... El Cid III
George Payne .... Jess/Inmate #1 III
Drew Bundini Brown .... Sugg/Inmate #2 III
J.J. Johnston .... Announcer #1 III
Earl Garnes .... Announcer #2 III
Faith Minton .... Female Boxer III
Marcella Ross .... Female Boxer III
Raye Hollitt .... Female Boxer III
Danny Trejo .... See Veer fighter III
Ron Demps .... Referee III

The actor J.J. Johnston cast as an announcer in III is a noted boxing historian and co-author of a book I highly recommend

Chicago Boxing
by J. J. Johnston
Arcadia
ISBN: 073853210x

Bear

05-30-2006, 12:07 PM	#141
bear Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 18,798	Threads 1-140 zipped and shipped to Cornerwork Zipped and sent to Cornerwork Thread contets from posts 1-140 Austin and Jofre's contains 13 fighters-Austin's boxers from the professional and Jofre's Bolt and Palooka. Bear's 4F thread 1-140 contains 146 Fictional Fighter Files from threads 1-140. Bear's 4F pics 1-140 contains 58 images (Thanks to Jofre for Ben Bolt, the Palooka toons, and Eddie Brown). Palooka_Steve_comic, Joe_Palooka1, and acboxing1 have not been resized for the game. Also notes and cast info for the films covered. Bear

06-03-2006, 10:54 AM	#160
bear Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 18,798	Kennedy's Penitentiary trilogy Penitentiary (1979) Penitentiary II (1982) Penitentiary III (1987) Boxing Cast Badja Djola .... Half Dead Johnson I Ernie Hudson .... Half Dead II Leon Isaac Kennedy .... Martel Too Sweet Gordone I II III Thommy Pollard .... Eugene Fish I Wilbur 'Hi-Fi' White .... Sweet Pea I not in IMDB but in film (listed with I ) Donovan Womack ... Jesse The Bull Amos Jesse beats up cellmate Eugene loses final bout to TS in I II Floyd Chatman ...Hezzikia "Seldom Seen" Jackson trainer I Malik Carter .... Seldom Seen II Eugene battles "Tough Tony" wins ?? .... "Tough Tony" I Will Richardson ... Magilla Gorilla, a burly, clumsy inmate loses to Too Sweet I Cepheus Jaxon ... Poindexter I Cepheus Jaxon .... Do Dirty II Do Dirty Poindexter Gerald Berns .... Beau Flynn - Lt. Heavywt. World Champ II Hawthorne James .... Referee II Tony Cox .... Midget II Marvin Jones .... Simp II Big Bull Bates .... Simp III Stan Kamber .... Sam II Dennis Lipscomb .... Announcer II Mr. T .... Himself II Glynn Turman .... Charles II brother in law of TS and Mgr. Ren Woods .... Nikki II Rudy Ray Moore .... Man on balcony II cameo by Dolemite also Archie Moore in cameo (not in IMDB) II Steve Antin .... Roscoe figher trained by Too Sweet beaten up badly III sax player Raymond Kessler .... Midnight Thud Jessup (as The Haiti Kid) III Rick Zumwalt .... Joshua III Greg 'Magic' Schwartz .... Hugo III Big Yank .... Rock III Bert Williams .... Tim Shosh III Mark Kemble .... Rufus III Jack Rader .... Fred III Madison Campudoni .... El Cid III George Payne .... Jess/Inmate #1 III Drew Bundini Brown .... Sugg/Inmate #2 III J.J. Johnston .... Announcer #1 III Earl Garnes .... Announcer #2 III Faith Minton .... Female Boxer III Marcella Ross .... Female Boxer III Raye Hollitt .... Female Boxer III Danny Trejo .... See Veer fighter III Ron Demps .... Referee III The actor J.J. Johnston cast as an announcer in III is a noted boxing historian and co-author of a book I highly recommend Chicago Boxing by J. J. Johnston Arcadia ISBN: 073853210x Bear Attached Images

05-30-2006, 04:27 PM	#142
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	Bear how much longer do you have to go with this project? I have enjoyed it since day one and hope you continue it.

05-30-2006, 05:49 PM	#144
Austin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 269	Bear, If you would provide me with some leads in literature, I would be glad to help. Austin

05-30-2006, 06:20 PM	#146
bear Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 18,798	Austin Do you have copies of the following two books?: R.A. Hartley; 'History & Bibliography of Boxing Books' (1989) and 'More Boxing Books' (1995). They provide a bibliography of boxing titles in English and would identify fictional works. Bear

05-30-2006, 08:16 PM	#149
Austin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 269	Thanks Bear, I think a better judgment of a fictional character can be done from a novel than from a character mentioned in passing from a play or movie. I feel that several of the characters from The Professional were done to conservatively on my part. Jofre recommended The Professional as a good read and he was right on!! Excellent book with great development of each character weather they played a major part in the story or not. You had a great idea when you came up with this fictional group; the only danger is rating inflation making it unrealistic. Austin

06-02-2006, 03:56 PM	#151
Austin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 269	H-E-L-P!!! I downloaded a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee. When I clicked on the boxer Gus Dundee I got the following message; Error Loadingimage'C:\Progra~1\OutOft~1\TITLEB~2\ImagesF ighters\dundee_gus'! At this point the game frezzes and I have to hit CtrlAltDelete keys to get out of the game. Previously, I had copied Pat Comiskey and saved him as Dundee_Gus. I deleted Dundee under fighters and deleted Gus Dundee from my fighter list. When I try to download Gus Dundee again from page one of this site, I get the message above and have to get out of the game. could someone post a picture of Pat Comiskey as Gus Dundee so I might try to down load it. Any other suggestions?? Thanks in advance, Austin

06-03-2006, 01:39 AM	#153
Austin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 269	Thanks Bear, I now have a new problem!! When I clicked on the boxer Gus Dundee I got the following message; Error Loadingimage'C:\Progra~1\OutOft~1\TITLEB~2\ImagesF ighters\dundee_gus.doc'! in a dialog box. I clicked OK than selected the Fighter tab. The picture showed as I hoped. Than I clicked another boxer and his picture showed. When I clicked Dundee again the last fighter's picture showed as Dundee. Whoever I pick and than picked Dundee that boxer's picture as Dundee. It only happens with Dundee and I always get the same error message. If I double click it seems to lock up. Any ideas? Austin