Semi historical 1890-2016

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:25 AM

I haven't done a dynasty in a long while, so thought I would give one a shot
It will be historical, but with my usual twist...semi modernized stats.
I take the years (say 1902-04) average out the stats, then add it to the stats of around the modern era and divide by 2 giving an updated set of stats, but not too updated.

Dead ball era players should not hit 60HR, but they should hit more than 10...the top guys tend to 35 in my revisions.

I started in 1890 to have a wider selection of particularily pitchers to make 5 man rotations. When I start in 1871 I never get far into the game, but now find 1890 is a good year for me to start historical games in.

NO historical minors, just MLB players (I may do another dynasty later that includes the negro stars- updated, or use the spritze DB, but for now just the MLB guys for this one)
Oops forgot to mention that all teams will be in 1 LEAGUE. There will be the normal expansion and team moves through history...but I hate 2 seperate leagues, so they are in one giant 162 game season league. 4 teams make the playoffs.

I use 5 man rotations. Most everything else is as you would expect it I guess.
The game starts in 1890, but the first 9 years are basically just for player stats
Then will go in 3 year segments, such as 1899-1901.
Players go to the team they had a debut with (no draft)
In the first year of each 3 year segment. I will make trades to move star players to the teams they really came on.
Thus Reggie Jackson for example will be with Oakland for 1974-76 (he doesn't have his one year of Baltimore. Then in 1977 I move him to NYY. He stays there till 1983 (instead of 1982 due to the 3 year rule).
I will not move every player, just stars who were key to teams in a 3 year period,but they have to be traded. So the Yankees will have to give Oakland something to get Jackson for example.

Finances on, but never will be free agency, only reserve clause.

No injuries...but players who would be too good in a year they played few games will be given and injury that year. Say Mike Donlin will get a few early on.

Recalc is on. Players can play on past their final year.

I also have to watch the dreaded OOTP superstar, who has his final MLB carreer year a star on, Say Bill Kiester as an example. Then would stay as a .340 hitter until he is 40. So every 3 year segment I go looking for those type of players to give them a downgrade of stats.
Real managers will appear in the years they did in real life.

I will post in 9 year segments. So once I finish 1899-1907 I will post the updates, year by year summaries and what not.

More just sim and go and see what sort of results I get.
If I forgot something will come back and add it here later.
First few post spaces are reserved for stats

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:25 AM

Champions
1925 Detroit Tigers over Giants 4-0
WS MVP Ed Wells 1-0

1924 Detroit Tigers over Yankees 4-2
WS MVP Johnny Bassler 11 for 28

1923 Detroit Tigers over Indians 4-2
WS MVP Ty Cobb 11 for 39

1922 St Louis Cardinals over Tigers 4-2
WS MVP Rogers Hornsby 13 for 24, 3 home runs

1921 New York Giants (McGraw) over Tigers 4-1
WS MVP

1920 Detroit Tigers (Petty) over Dodgers (Ewing) 4-1
WSMVP Harry Heilmann 11 for 21

1919 Chicago White Sox(Murphy) over Senators(McPhee) 4-2
WS mVP Eddie Collins 11 for 30

1918 Chicago White Sox (Murphy) over pirates (Woodroffe) 4-3
WS MVP Billy Southworth pit 13 for 27 14 RBI

1917 Cleveland Indians (Foutz) over Cardinals (Vaughan)4-2
WS MVP Tim Hendryx 14 for 31, 13 RB

1916 Chicago White Sox (Murphy) over Red Sox (Rhines) 4-3
WS MVP Braggo Roth 12 for 27 .444

1915 Detroit Tigers (Hatfield) over Red Sox (Rhines) 4-3
Ty Cobb WS MVP

1914 Boston Braves over Giants (McGraw)4-3
Larry Doyle WS MVP

1913 Boston Red Sox (Bailey) over Giants (McGraw)4-1
Tris Speaker WS MVP

1912 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) over Red Sox (Bailey ) 4-2
Stuffy McInnis WS MVP

1911 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) over Pirates (Pollard ) 4-3
Eddie Collins WS MVP

1910 New York Giants (McGraw) over Detroit (Hatfield) 4-2
Buck Herzog WS Mvp

1909 Cincinati Reds (Arden) over Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 4-2
Bob Bescher WS Mvp

1908 Chicago Cubs (Frangione) over Giants (McGraw) 4-3
Three Finger Brown WS Mvp

1907 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1906 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1905 New York Giants (McGraw)
1904 New York Giants (McGraw)
1903 Boston Red Sox (Wightman)
1902 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1901 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau)
1900 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau)
1899 Brooklyn Dodgers (Frangione)
1890-98 Played but not kept

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:26 AM

Batting stats
Top 10 appears in the thread every 9 years, this space is reserved for a more detailed view at the end of the replay

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:26 AM

PITCHING STATS and MANAGERS

Top 10 appears in the thread every 9 years, this space is reserved for a more detailed view at the end of the replay

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:26 AM

Hof

Complete HOF will appear here at the end of the replay

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:29 AM

How I set up the modifiers. Say the years 1904-07 which i just did. I get per game averages from Baseball Reference as such
The second line is them modified with modern equivalents at a ratio of 6-4
Ie Hr was 6X 0.12, plus 4X 1.10. Divide by 10 and it comes to .51
Then i covert to a league with 165300 at bats, and the values are below.
1904-07
Avg, 2b, 3b, hr, w, hbp, k
.247, 111, 42, 12, 241, 32, 365
.254 134 33 51 264 25 519
41990 620 1600 2480 12840 1215 25222

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:49 AM

Champions 1899-1907
1910 New York Giants (McGraw) over Detroit (Hatfield) 4-2
Buck Herzog WS Mvp
1909 Cincinati Reds (Arden) over Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 4-2
Bob Bescher WS Mvp
1908 Chicago Cubs (Frangione) over Giants (McGraw) 4-3
Three Finger Brown WS Mvp
1907 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1906 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1905 New York Giants (McGraw)
1904 New York Giants (McGraw)
1903 Boston Red Sox (Wightman)
1902 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1901 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau)
1900 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau)
1899 Brooklyn Dodgers (Frangione)

The 9 year period of 1899-1907 was dominated by 3 teams. The Philadelphia Athletics with their big 3 pitching staff of Waddell, Plank and Bender. Rube Waddell with the strikeout boost becomes a beast.
The New York Giants are the most well rounded team, while the Pirates have some great years then some average years. They have the player of the 9 year period, the being Honus Wagner. Wow he was good.

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:51 AM

1899-1901
1901 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau)
1900 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau)
1899 Brooklyn Dodgers (Frangione)

sprague · 06-09-2017, 11:56 AM

1902-05
1904 New York Giants (McGraw)
1903 Boston Red Sox (Wightman)
1902 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:01 PM

1905-07
1907 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1906 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack)
1905 New York Giants (McGraw)

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:02 PM

Award Winners from 1899-1907

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:04 PM

Main Category Leaders

1907
Hits
cap anson 4011, jake beckley 3672, Ed delahanty 3586, lave cross 3411, GEORGE DAVIS 3389
Home runs
Buck freeman 415, sam Thompson 408, Harry Stovey 400, Ed Delahanty 364, Dan Brothers 323

HR Single Season
58 Buck Freeman 1898, 58 Bil Joyce 1894, 51 Sam Thompson 1894

wins
CY YOUNG 315, Tim Keefe 274, Pud GAlvin 249, Old Hoss Radbourne 241, Toad Ramsey 241

K's
Rube waddell 355, 333, 326

hit streak 42 games Sam Thompson

MGR wins
Dan Janveau 1685, Mike Walton 1543, Howard Mick 1507, Ned Frangione 1506
(John McGraw has 830, Connie Mack 675)

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:06 PM

Overall leader pages

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:07 PM

Hof

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:08 PM

Some HOF stars...

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:10 PM

The two current stars. Rube Waddell and Honus Wagner. Look at that 27 win year by Waddell, in a 5 man staff. Wow.

sprague · 06-09-2017, 12:13 PM

Will post again after the next 9 year period in 1916.
Ty Cobb should now take over the show, as should Walter Johnson...but the Giants and Athletics still might be the super star teams. We shall see.

KCBaseballVaultTroy · 06-10-2017, 04:38 PM

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KCBaseballVaultTroy · 06-10-2017, 04:44 PM

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Actually I don't need it till 1924

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sprague · 06-11-2017, 04:17 PM

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Actually I don't need it till 1924

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06-09-2017, 11:25 AM	#1
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Semi historical 1890-2016 I haven't done a dynasty in a long while, so thought I would give one a shot It will be historical, but with my usual twist...semi modernized stats. I take the years (say 1902-04) average out the stats, then add it to the stats of around the modern era and divide by 2 giving an updated set of stats, but not too updated. Dead ball era players should not hit 60HR, but they should hit more than 10...the top guys tend to 35 in my revisions. I started in 1890 to have a wider selection of particularily pitchers to make 5 man rotations. When I start in 1871 I never get far into the game, but now find 1890 is a good year for me to start historical games in. NO historical minors, just MLB players (I may do another dynasty later that includes the negro stars- updated, or use the spritze DB, but for now just the MLB guys for this one) Oops forgot to mention that all teams will be in 1 LEAGUE. There will be the normal expansion and team moves through history...but I hate 2 seperate leagues, so they are in one giant 162 game season league. 4 teams make the playoffs. I use 5 man rotations. Most everything else is as you would expect it I guess. The game starts in 1890, but the first 9 years are basically just for player stats Then will go in 3 year segments, such as 1899-1901. Players go to the team they had a debut with (no draft) In the first year of each 3 year segment. I will make trades to move star players to the teams they really came on. Thus Reggie Jackson for example will be with Oakland for 1974-76 (he doesn't have his one year of Baltimore. Then in 1977 I move him to NYY. He stays there till 1983 (instead of 1982 due to the 3 year rule). I will not move every player, just stars who were key to teams in a 3 year period,but they have to be traded. So the Yankees will have to give Oakland something to get Jackson for example. Finances on, but never will be free agency, only reserve clause. No injuries...but players who would be too good in a year they played few games will be given and injury that year. Say Mike Donlin will get a few early on. Recalc is on. Players can play on past their final year. I also have to watch the dreaded OOTP superstar, who has his final MLB carreer year a star on, Say Bill Kiester as an example. Then would stay as a .340 hitter until he is 40. So every 3 year segment I go looking for those type of players to give them a downgrade of stats. Real managers will appear in the years they did in real life. I will post in 9 year segments. So once I finish 1899-1907 I will post the updates, year by year summaries and what not. More just sim and go and see what sort of results I get. If I forgot something will come back and add it here later. First few post spaces are reserved for stats Last edited by sprague; 06-09-2017 at 11:40 AM.

06-09-2017, 11:25 AM	#2
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Champions 1925 Detroit Tigers over Giants 4-0 WS MVP Ed Wells 1-0 1924 Detroit Tigers over Yankees 4-2 WS MVP Johnny Bassler 11 for 28 1923 Detroit Tigers over Indians 4-2 WS MVP Ty Cobb 11 for 39 1922 St Louis Cardinals over Tigers 4-2 WS MVP Rogers Hornsby 13 for 24, 3 home runs 1921 New York Giants (McGraw) over Tigers 4-1 WS MVP 1920 Detroit Tigers (Petty) over Dodgers (Ewing) 4-1 WSMVP Harry Heilmann 11 for 21 1919 Chicago White Sox(Murphy) over Senators(McPhee) 4-2 WS mVP Eddie Collins 11 for 30 1918 Chicago White Sox (Murphy) over pirates (Woodroffe) 4-3 WS MVP Billy Southworth pit 13 for 27 14 RBI 1917 Cleveland Indians (Foutz) over Cardinals (Vaughan)4-2 WS MVP Tim Hendryx 14 for 31, 13 RB 1916 Chicago White Sox (Murphy) over Red Sox (Rhines) 4-3 WS MVP Braggo Roth 12 for 27 .444 1915 Detroit Tigers (Hatfield) over Red Sox (Rhines) 4-3 Ty Cobb WS MVP 1914 Boston Braves over Giants (McGraw)4-3 Larry Doyle WS MVP 1913 Boston Red Sox (Bailey) over Giants (McGraw)4-1 Tris Speaker WS MVP 1912 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) over Red Sox (Bailey ) 4-2 Stuffy McInnis WS MVP 1911 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) over Pirates (Pollard ) 4-3 Eddie Collins WS MVP 1910 New York Giants (McGraw) over Detroit (Hatfield) 4-2 Buck Herzog WS Mvp 1909 Cincinati Reds (Arden) over Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 4-2 Bob Bescher WS Mvp 1908 Chicago Cubs (Frangione) over Giants (McGraw) 4-3 Three Finger Brown WS Mvp 1907 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1906 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1905 New York Giants (McGraw) 1904 New York Giants (McGraw) 1903 Boston Red Sox (Wightman) 1902 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1901 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau) 1900 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau) 1899 Brooklyn Dodgers (Frangione) 1890-98 Played but not kept Last edited by sprague; 06-15-2017 at 07:09 AM.

06-09-2017, 11:26 AM	#3
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Batting stats Top 10 appears in the thread every 9 years, this space is reserved for a more detailed view at the end of the replay Last edited by sprague; 06-12-2017 at 08:57 AM.

06-09-2017, 11:26 AM	#4
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	PITCHING STATS and MANAGERS Top 10 appears in the thread every 9 years, this space is reserved for a more detailed view at the end of the replay Last edited by sprague; 06-12-2017 at 08:58 AM.

06-09-2017, 11:26 AM	#5
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Hof Complete HOF will appear here at the end of the replay Last edited by sprague; 06-12-2017 at 08:58 AM.

06-09-2017, 11:29 AM	#6
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	How I set up the modifiers. Say the years 1904-07 which i just did. I get per game averages from Baseball Reference as such The second line is them modified with modern equivalents at a ratio of 6-4 Ie Hr was 6X 0.12, plus 4X 1.10. Divide by 10 and it comes to .51 Then i covert to a league with 165300 at bats, and the values are below. 1904-07 Avg, 2b, 3b, hr, w, hbp, k .247, 111, 42, 12, 241, 32, 365 .254 134 33 51 264 25 519 41990 620 1600 2480 12840 1215 25222

06-09-2017, 11:49 AM	#7
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Champions 1899-1907 1910 New York Giants (McGraw) over Detroit (Hatfield) 4-2 Buck Herzog WS Mvp 1909 Cincinati Reds (Arden) over Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 4-2 Bob Bescher WS Mvp 1908 Chicago Cubs (Frangione) over Giants (McGraw) 4-3 Three Finger Brown WS Mvp 1907 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1906 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1905 New York Giants (McGraw) 1904 New York Giants (McGraw) 1903 Boston Red Sox (Wightman) 1902 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1901 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau) 1900 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau) 1899 Brooklyn Dodgers (Frangione) The 9 year period of 1899-1907 was dominated by 3 teams. The Philadelphia Athletics with their big 3 pitching staff of Waddell, Plank and Bender. Rube Waddell with the strikeout boost becomes a beast. The New York Giants are the most well rounded team, while the Pirates have some great years then some average years. They have the player of the 9 year period, the being Honus Wagner. Wow he was good. Last edited by sprague; 06-11-2017 at 04:17 PM.

06-09-2017, 11:51 AM	#8
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	1899-1901 1901 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau) 1900 Pittsburgh Pirates (Janveau) 1899 Brooklyn Dodgers (Frangione) Attached Images Last edited by sprague; 06-09-2017 at 11:57 AM.

06-09-2017, 11:56 AM	#9
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	1902-05 1904 New York Giants (McGraw) 1903 Boston Red Sox (Wightman) 1902 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) Attached Images Last edited by sprague; 06-09-2017 at 11:57 AM.

06-09-2017, 12:01 PM	#10
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	1905-07 1907 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1906 Philadelphia Athletics (Mack) 1905 New York Giants (McGraw) Attached Images

06-09-2017, 12:02 PM	#11
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Award Winners from 1899-1907 Attached Images

06-09-2017, 12:04 PM	#12
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Main Category Leaders 1907 Hits cap anson 4011, jake beckley 3672, Ed delahanty 3586, lave cross 3411, GEORGE DAVIS 3389 Home runs Buck freeman 415, sam Thompson 408, Harry Stovey 400, Ed Delahanty 364, Dan Brothers 323 HR Single Season 58 Buck Freeman 1898, 58 Bil Joyce 1894, 51 Sam Thompson 1894 wins CY YOUNG 315, Tim Keefe 274, Pud GAlvin 249, Old Hoss Radbourne 241, Toad Ramsey 241 K's Rube waddell 355, 333, 326 hit streak 42 games Sam Thompson MGR wins Dan Janveau 1685, Mike Walton 1543, Howard Mick 1507, Ned Frangione 1506 (John McGraw has 830, Connie Mack 675)

06-09-2017, 12:06 PM	#13
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Overall leader pages Attached Images

06-09-2017, 12:07 PM	#14
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Hof Attached Images

06-09-2017, 12:08 PM	#15
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Some HOF stars... Attached Images

06-09-2017, 12:10 PM	#16
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	The two current stars. Rube Waddell and Honus Wagner. Look at that 27 win year by Waddell, in a 5 man staff. Wow. Attached Images

06-09-2017, 12:13 PM	#17
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,921	Will post again after the next 9 year period in 1916. Ty Cobb should now take over the show, as should Walter Johnson...but the Giants and Athletics still might be the super star teams. We shall see.

06-10-2017, 04:38 PM	#18
KCBaseballVaultTroy Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 42	Can I get a copy of this Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk