Can / Should you trust an AI GM?

ForeverRoyalKC · 04-08-2017, 11:54 PM

I was considering taking a team and acting as owner by hiring a GM and letting him run the team. Is this sure fire disaster? Or will an AI GM actually be able to put together a championship team?
Would like to hear you all loud and clear on this question!

Thanks!

KCBaseballVaultTroy · 04-08-2017, 11:55 PM

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Orcin · 04-09-2017, 12:32 AM

If all GMs in the league are AI GMs, then one AI GM will indeed lead his team to a championship. I guarantee it.

ForeverRoyalKC · 04-09-2017, 12:35 AM

Yeah, Orcin...that goes without saying. But if you hire one, does it have a tendency to pull ridiculous trades, sign enormous contracts, etc. Can you trust one you hire to have good sense?

NoOne · 04-09-2017, 12:49 AM

nothing compared to you.

you can further your cause by editing this GM to your liking... then you can kinda test various strategies and what works over time -- something i do on the side while running a long sim for...??? e.g. LTMs on occasion.

overall roster strategies, trade preferences and how they value scouting v draft v mlb scouting v development are the importnat sections for a GM.

i don't think scouting rating matters at all, nor their preference toward tools/ability - that stuff is strictly for scouting directors.

the last portion is for budget concerns... if you max them all in a small market / small budget then you spend little in all areas

although it does effect high high each of those budgets will scale with a larger budget... so it's not just ratios of each other, but relative to a small budget... making it max development and max scouting won't cause a 24M/36M scouting/development budget to occur. it will stay relative to budget, so consider that.

ai gm with maxed out things like that probably spend too much and too varied in a small market. in a huge market they probably excel.

andyhdz · 04-09-2017, 12:54 AM

So what exactly would you do as an owner?

ForeverRoyalKC · 04-09-2017, 01:00 AM

I mean "act" like an owner. I know each team has an owner, but I am referring to letting the GM run the office (promotions / demotions, trades, free agents, extensions, etc., etc.,)
In other words, I would be titled the GM, but let my Asst. GM I hire, take the reins.

Reed · 04-09-2017, 08:44 AM

I have tried turning all control over to the asst GM and edited him so he would act like me. Sometimes he does ok but then he'll pull a dumb trade and then I'll fire him. I haven't gone more than a couple seasons before taking over but I suppose it will sort of work but not as well as you would do.

Marsupilami · 04-09-2017, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I mean "act" like an owner. I know each team has an owner, but I am referring to letting the GM run the office (promotions / demotions, trades, free agents, extensions, etc., etc.,)
In other words, I would be titled the GM, but let my Asst. GM I hire, take the reins.

again, what would YOU actually DO?

ForeverRoyalKC · 04-09-2017, 12:58 PM

I thought about handling the June draft. That's about it.

Padreman · 04-09-2017, 01:09 PM

Pure laziness

ForeverRoyalKC · 04-09-2017, 01:54 PM

I do hope that was a joking jab, Padreman

Aceshigh24 · 04-10-2017, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I was considering taking a team and acting as owner by hiring a GM and letting him run the team. Is this sure fire disaster? Or will an AI GM actually be able to put together a championship team?
Would like to hear you all loud and clear on this question!

Thanks!

This is a fantastic idea. Good suggestion on this. Testing it out with Seattle right now and right off the bat Dipoto made an interesting trade (just like in real life).

eldur00 · 04-10-2017, 04:15 PM

Playing as Manager only I can tell you you'll get a mixed bag.

In my first season, my GM waived my starting RF who was totally clutch with RISP and was leading the team in RBIs and was 3rd in the league in that category.

He then traded an up and coming utility infielder for an aging veteran for RF duties, who really did not perform well.

My pitching was lacking all season and it was never addressed. Finished last in my division.

During the offseason, he got the MVP to join the team and another player that finished top 5 in most offensive categories.

Still hasn't addressed pitching, so I'm sitting atop the division at the start of this second season with a 14-5 record, winning a lot of games with scores like 13-9.

Fun stuff.

I know what you are trying to do is different, but you're in for some interesting twists, that's for sure.

NoOne · 04-10-2017, 05:54 PM

you'll realize that reputation or ratings without the right strategy is wasted.

i'd focus on AI hirees that will do as you want.. .or edit them by roleplaying threatening their job!

less so for the scout-- all ability with that guy with one caveat on whom they prefer.

GM / Manager strategies are supremely important, though. (i guess bench coach too...)

if you ahve a good gm/scout tandem with a big budget, you will see ~20years of consistent success etc... that very same big budget with bad gm/scout and you see only lucky years of success. i see this when i do my edits, then sim out a long way... the first 20year (if they don't get fired/retire) is a "golden era" in the history of that team. (the best stretch, or at least one of the best strethes)

a small market gm needs to be different than a big market gm in certain ways.. or they are doomed to fail.

Aceshigh24 · 04-10-2017, 06:16 PM

So I did a test run with Seattle by giving the power to Dipoto. Before the season started he made a trade with Cleveland to send Drew Smyly for Chris Colabello and a 3 star Prospect.

Did another test league but this time i fired Dipoto and hired Theo Epstein and he too made a trade for Chris Colabello but he gave up James Paxton and got back a 4 star SP.

Those 2 trades are not something i would have done but interesting to see that they both traded for the same guy.

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ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	Can / Should you trust an AI GM? I was considering taking a team and acting as owner by hiring a GM and letting him run the team. Is this sure fire disaster? Or will an AI GM actually be able to put together a championship team? Would like to hear you all loud and clear on this question! Thanks!

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NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	you'll realize that reputation or ratings without the right strategy is wasted. i'd focus on AI hirees that will do as you want.. .or edit them by roleplaying threatening their job! less so for the scout-- all ability with that guy with one caveat on whom they prefer. GM / Manager strategies are supremely important, though. (i guess bench coach too...) if you ahve a good gm/scout tandem with a big budget, you will see ~20years of consistent success etc... that very same big budget with bad gm/scout and you see only lucky years of success. i see this when i do my edits, then sim out a long way... the first 20year (if they don't get fired/retire) is a "golden era" in the history of that team. (the best stretch, or at least one of the best strethes) a small market gm needs to be different than a big market gm in certain ways.. or they are doomed to fail. Last edited by NoOne; 04-10-2017 at 06:00 PM.

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Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	If all GMs in the league are AI GMs, then one AI GM will indeed lead his team to a championship. I guarantee it.

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ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah, Orcin...that goes without saying. But if you hire one, does it have a tendency to pull ridiculous trades, sign enormous contracts, etc. Can you trust one you hire to have good sense?

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NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	nothing compared to you. you can further your cause by editing this GM to your liking... then you can kinda test various strategies and what works over time -- something i do on the side while running a long sim for...??? e.g. LTMs on occasion. overall roster strategies, trade preferences and how they value scouting v draft v mlb scouting v development are the importnat sections for a GM. i don't think scouting rating matters at all, nor their preference toward tools/ability - that stuff is strictly for scouting directors. the last portion is for budget concerns... if you max them all in a small market / small budget then you spend little in all areas although it does effect high high each of those budgets will scale with a larger budget... so it's not just ratios of each other, but relative to a small budget... making it max development and max scouting won't cause a 24M/36M scouting/development budget to occur. it will stay relative to budget, so consider that. ai gm with maxed out things like that probably spend too much and too varied in a small market. in a huge market they probably excel.

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andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	So what exactly would you do as an owner?

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ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	I mean "act" like an owner. I know each team has an owner, but I am referring to letting the GM run the office (promotions / demotions, trades, free agents, extensions, etc., etc.,) In other words, I would be titled the GM, but let my Asst. GM I hire, take the reins.

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Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,946	I have tried turning all control over to the asst GM and edited him so he would act like me. Sometimes he does ok but then he'll pull a dumb trade and then I'll fire him. I haven't gone more than a couple seasons before taking over but I suppose it will sort of work but not as well as you would do.

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ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	I thought about handling the June draft. That's about it.

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ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	I do hope that was a joking jab, Padreman

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eldur00 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 506	Playing as Manager only I can tell you you'll get a mixed bag. In my first season, my GM waived my starting RF who was totally clutch with RISP and was leading the team in RBIs and was 3rd in the league in that category. He then traded an up and coming utility infielder for an aging veteran for RF duties, who really did not perform well. My pitching was lacking all season and it was never addressed. Finished last in my division. During the offseason, he got the MVP to join the team and another player that finished top 5 in most offensive categories. Still hasn't addressed pitching, so I'm sitting atop the division at the start of this second season with a 14-5 record, winning a lot of games with scores like 13-9. Fun stuff. I know what you are trying to do is different, but you're in for some interesting twists, that's for sure.

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Aceshigh24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 636	So I did a test run with Seattle by giving the power to Dipoto. Before the season started he made a trade with Cleveland to send Drew Smyly for Chris Colabello and a 3 star Prospect. Did another test league but this time i fired Dipoto and hired Theo Epstein and he too made a trade for Chris Colabello but he gave up James Paxton and got back a 4 star SP. Those 2 trades are not something i would have done but interesting to see that they both traded for the same guy.