Astro's Punishment - Page 13

Reed · 01-31-2020, 08:16 AM

Being from Illinois and a Cub fan, I think he overworked Mark Prior and Kerry Wood ruining their careers.

dkgo · 01-31-2020, 09:21 AM

Manager of the Year is a completely meaningless award and I can't believe people are citing it as a credential. It's just "which team did the media underestimate the most pre-season." He had three seasons in a row under .480 (with two last place finishes) between two "manager of the year" awards. Did he just forget how to manage then? Was he outsmarting everyone by lowering expectations so much that he could then exceed them in order to get another award?

This is the guy who didn't want Joey Votto when he came up because he took too many walks.

But like I said managers impact almost nothing game to game unless they do something truly absurd like ask edwin encarnacion or adam dunn to sacrifice bunt in the bottom of the ninth.

Brad K · 01-31-2020, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

That's not every year and you know it.

Yea right. Starting with the years Baker won. LOL.

CBeisbol · 01-31-2020, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

Manager of the Year is a completely meaningless award and I can't believe people are citing it as a credential. It's just "which team did the media underestimate the most pre-season." He had three seasons in a row under .480 (with two last place finishes) between two "manager of the year" awards. Did he just forget how to manage then? Was he outsmarting everyone by lowering expectations so much that he could then exceed them in order to get another award?

This is the guy who didn't want Joey Votto when he came up because he took too many walks.

But like I said managers impact almost nothing game to game unless they do something truly absurd like ask edwin encarnacion or adam dunn to sacrifice bunt in the bottom of the ninth.

Right

Here's what MLB.com had to say about this years' winners

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the two men prevailed on the might of what many would consider surprise finishes atop baseball’s Central divisions.

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-manager-of-the-year-award

No one ever cites anything the manager did directly.

That's because no one really knows what the managers did - or how what they did impacted the team.

Take the Yankees this year. Aaron Boone had as many first place votes as winner Rocco Baldelli. Why? Because "he held the team together thorough all the injuries" or whatever. As if Tauchman, Urshela et al playing like stars was somehow because of Boone.

Now, it may very well have been that the Yankees organization helped those guys out, but if anyone who voted for Boone, or any fan who has strong feelings that Boone should have won can name one thing he specifically did, I've never heard it

dkgo · 01-31-2020, 10:07 AM

It's the same for every sport.

Bill Belichick hasn't won a coach of the year since 2010 since everyone expects him to win 12 games. Ron Rivera and Bruce Arians have both won TWO since then. Even Jason Garrett won one.

ezpkns34 · 01-31-2020, 01:56 PM

dkgo pretty much summed up my thoughts on manager/coach of the year

It's generally the writers voting for the one in charge of a team that they think over-performed, as opposed to admitting that they were simply wrong in their pre-season assumptions about which teams would be good/bad

Brad K · 02-01-2020, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

He could say base on balls kill puppies if he wins.

But what if he follows through by ordering pitchers to never walk someone even if it means when the count goes to three balls they groove 45 mph "fastballs".

Cobra Mgr · 02-02-2020, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

But what if he follows through by ordering pitchers to never walk someone even if it means when the count goes to three balls they groove 45 mph "fastballs".

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It just astounds me how a mgr who won MOY 3 times, made the postseason 8 times, won the division 5 times, & a pennant once garnishes such criticism from you guys. Astonishing.

CBeisbol · 02-02-2020, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

But what if he follows through by ordering pitchers to never walk someone even if it means when the count goes to three balls they groove 45 mph "fastballs".

He won't
Because he's not an actual human and major league manger. He's not the caricature you've created in your mind

Brad K · 02-02-2020, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

He won't
Because he's not an actual human and major league manger. He's not the caricature you've created in your mind

MY caricature? I'm not the one who brought up a scenario of a guy saying walks kill puppies. I just responded with equal silliness.

Brad K · 02-02-2020, 03:28 PM

Dusty Baker Denies Rumors

February 2 2020
disAssociated Press

During a press conference earlier today, Astros Manger Dusty Baker probably expected questions about whether the Astros would find a new way to cheat with him as manager. Instead he was asked about an internet rumor that he said "Walks kill puppies".

"Not true" said Baker. "What I really said is 'walks clog up the bases'. That's why I'm counseling players to swing more".

However, Baker's belief in the damage walks to do the offense doesn't just apply to his own offense. He believes walks can be used to damage the other teams offense.

With no one on base, Astros pitchers will follow normal procedure. But one a man reaches base, the Astros pitchers will issue two intentional walks, clogging up the bases, and crippling the opposition's offense.

"And it won't affect pitcher's tiredness at all" said Baker "since we can now just signal the intentional walk instead of having to throw four wide ones. The 'speed up the game' types have played right into my plans".

Reaction around the baseball world was mixed. Pioneering sabermetrician Bill James said he expected Astros pitchers to give up 1100 runs under Baker's plan. Upon hearing that, a famous OOTP board poster said "It doesn't matter as long as he wins."

Cobra Mgr · 02-02-2020, 06:29 PM

Hrycaj · 02-02-2020, 09:52 PM

Although it would never happen, I think it would be fascinating if Boston did not hire a manager this season. I feel the current, popular sentiment has been that managers have been essentially neutered in terms of importance. It would be interesting if a club actually put that theory to the test.

ezpkns34 · 02-02-2020, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hrycaj

Although it would never happen, I think it would be fascinating if Boston did not hire a manager this season. I feel the current, popular sentiment has been that managers have been essentially neutered in terms of importance. It would be interesting if a club actually put that theory to the test.

Random fan drawing at every home game to see who gets to manage them that game?

Cobra Mgr · 02-02-2020, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hrycaj

Although it would never happen, I think it would be fascinating if Boston did not hire a manager this season. I feel the current, popular sentiment has been that managers have been essentially neutered in terms of importance. It would be interesting if a club actually put that theory to the test.

I would love to see it. Let's see the sabremetric cult put their money where their mouth is. I want to see an entire season where a franchise let's IBM run their team.

CBeisbol · 02-02-2020, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I would love to see it. Let's see the sabremetric cult put their money where their mouth is. I want to see an entire season where a franchise let's IBM run their team.

This whining about the "sabermetric cult" has no meaning.

Has any "sabermetric cultist" ever claimed that IBM should run a team?

If not, how would letting IBM run a team be putting their money where their mouth is?

As usual, the biggest critics of sabermetrics, WAR, etc are the people who have the least understanding of it.

dkgo · 02-02-2020, 11:40 PM

What does that even mean anyway? IBM is a company not "sabrmetrics"

Brad K · 02-03-2020, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

What does that even mean anyway? IBM is a company not "sabrmetrics"

I'd like to see CM's OOTP strategy slider settings. If he sets the sliders based on what he posts here, he gets first draft pick every year. If he doesn't set them that way, then what he posts here is merely bait for an argument.

Cobra Mgr · 02-03-2020, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

What does that even mean anyway? IBM is a company not "sabrmetrics"

U know exactly what it means. If you truly don't, then I've given you more credit than you deserve.

CBeisbol · 02-03-2020, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

U know exactly what it means. If you truly don't, then I've given you more credit than you deserve.

It means Cobra Mgr doesn't really know what sabermetrics is

And most everyone here knows it. Except Cobra Mgr (and everyone else who doesn't really know what sabermetrics is)

#Dunning-Kruger

02-02-2020, 06:29 PM	#252
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01-31-2020, 08:16 AM	#241
Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,946	Being from Illinois and a Cub fan, I think he overworked Mark Prior and Kerry Wood ruining their careers.

01-31-2020, 09:21 AM	#242
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Manager of the Year is a completely meaningless award and I can't believe people are citing it as a credential. It's just "which team did the media underestimate the most pre-season." He had three seasons in a row under .480 (with two last place finishes) between two "manager of the year" awards. Did he just forget how to manage then? Was he outsmarting everyone by lowering expectations so much that he could then exceed them in order to get another award? This is the guy who didn't want Joey Votto when he came up because he took too many walks. But like I said managers impact almost nothing game to game unless they do something truly absurd like ask edwin encarnacion or adam dunn to sacrifice bunt in the bottom of the ninth.

01-31-2020, 10:07 AM	#245
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	It's the same for every sport. Bill Belichick hasn't won a coach of the year since 2010 since everyone expects him to win 12 games. Ron Rivera and Bruce Arians have both won TWO since then. Even Jason Garrett won one.

01-31-2020, 01:56 PM	#246
ezpkns34 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 693	dkgo pretty much summed up my thoughts on manager/coach of the year It's generally the writers voting for the one in charge of a team that they think over-performed, as opposed to admitting that they were simply wrong in their pre-season assumptions about which teams would be good/bad

02-02-2020, 03:28 PM	#251
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 5,431	Dusty Baker Denies Rumors February 2 2020 disAssociated Press During a press conference earlier today, Astros Manger Dusty Baker probably expected questions about whether the Astros would find a new way to cheat with him as manager. Instead he was asked about an internet rumor that he said "Walks kill puppies". "Not true" said Baker. "What I really said is 'walks clog up the bases'. That's why I'm counseling players to swing more". However, Baker's belief in the damage walks to do the offense doesn't just apply to his own offense. He believes walks can be used to damage the other teams offense. With no one on base, Astros pitchers will follow normal procedure. But one a man reaches base, the Astros pitchers will issue two intentional walks, clogging up the bases, and crippling the opposition's offense. "And it won't affect pitcher's tiredness at all" said Baker "since we can now just signal the intentional walk instead of having to throw four wide ones. The 'speed up the game' types have played right into my plans". Reaction around the baseball world was mixed. Pioneering sabermetrician Bill James said he expected Astros pitchers to give up 1100 runs under Baker's plan. Upon hearing that, a famous OOTP board poster said "It doesn't matter as long as he wins."

02-02-2020, 11:40 PM	#257
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	What does that even mean anyway? IBM is a company not "sabrmetrics"