Should there...?

[One Great Matrix]

I'm like a bird, BTW. Maybe that's how my team got their nickname.

[One Great Matrix]

After all it IS a game...I would just like to add (possibly to end my nonsense/how I'm feeling for now as a Perfect Team GM/Manager) that...

If there should necessarily be no maximum, there should necessarily be no minimum.

Because the not a good ideas came on strong. Too strong maybe considering. ^...Except for Dogberry & Goliathus.

[Goliathus]

1. Whales are not infinitely big because there are still limits as to how much a card costs. The difference between an open market(current setup) and your hard cap is that the market dictates the cap(so players decide) and not the dev. There are still a cap either way(unless you can find someone who is willing to buy a card for 9 billion PP), but one is more organic. Even right now you can still check the market and add up the prices of all the cards you want and go "oh, that's how big". A cap doesn't change that. There's also a hard cap of 25 players on the roster so there's a limit of 25 100 OVR cards.

2. 5,555 is crazily low for a max. Everyone would be running a full 100 lineup by the end of this year and it's just a mode of Maddux pitching against other Maddux. Might as well remove most cards below 95 cuz no one would use them aside from some fancy theme teams.

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The minimum has its purpose in design and is arguably far more valuable than a maximum cap:

(1)It's a quicksell button so the Iron cards(which if I can be blunt, are garbage fillers) and Bronze cards you don't want can be sold. In a world without minimum, players have to sell their Iron cards on auction house and no one would buy them so everyone would have a crap ton of cards with no use. The minimum is there to ensure those cards can be thrown away for a certain value.

Card games are going to have these kind of garbage cards. It's a problem in real life too. Any RL trading card gamer who opens a lot of pack will have boxes of cards of no use. It's easier to get rid of it digitally and this function is a plus to the mode, not a minus.

(2)Not as essential as point 1, but it provides the market with a baseline price so cards of a certain tier can't drop ridiculously low. You can argue that a free market should have no minimum cap and you do certainly have a point -- it's not a must to have that, but because of point 1, they MUST put a minimum.

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A little off-topic but your concern is fair. It's just that it doesn't work in favor for a F2P game. Your philosophy is closer to a monthly subscription MMO-ish setup, where the environment is more fair to everyone and everyone who pay can have a chance to be great. Sadly, that era is long gone. Ever since the early 2010s, the market has gone F2P as more players are willing to play this kind of economy format than the subscription model. Many MMOs turned to F2P from the monthly subscription model because they just can't get enough players. WoW is the sole remnant of that era still using a subscription model.

PT pretty much designed itself to be a F2P mode. The packs, the PP acquisition and such all are designed to make income from whales. They can't really go back from that now -- unless everyone stops whaling to protest I guess, but that's impossible to occur.

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by One Great Matrix

I'm like a bird, BTW. Maybe that's how my team got their nickname.

And, you'll only fly away, and don't know where your soul and home are, right?

[One Great Matrix]

Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

And, you'll only fly away, and don't know where your soul and home are, right?

Ha. Exactly.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by One Great Matrix

That's all I'm saying, it isn't wrong. He said I wasn't being forced to play with zero evidence as well, and that struck me as even more ludicrous, yeah?

If you want to argue *that*, do it with the other use, and via PN. You are looking for a fight for a fight's sake. There is no point in arguing anything like *that*.

And there is also no point arguing a max price. Nobody wants it, and most assuredly OOTPD does not want it for obvious reasons. You might as well demand that you get six free gold packs a day.

A minimum is necessary, if only because people are idiots and would sell cards below quick-sale price if there wasn't one. They are already idiots and sell cards FOR the quick-sale price, then take the 10% hit.

[Kushiel]

As time passes the whales will have the players that they want...

As time passes there will be many less new whales starting the game because the vast majority of people that want to play PT already are playing...

As time passes the fish will not/cannot pay the current prices...



... so the prices go down. There is no need of an AH cap.

[One Great Matrix]

Time has passed, prices have gone up,,, they creep up, that's what this post & a proposed max was about to begin with...Eppa Rixey I saw him for almost 300,000 PP...I remember about the time of this post he was a 120,000 PP max. and that was like wow maybe I would go nuts and consider paying 120,000 PP for him.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by One Great Matrix

Eppa Rixey I saw him for almost 300,000 PP...I remember about the time of this post he was a 120,000 PP max. and that was like wow maybe I would go nuts and consider paying 120,000 PP for him.

I don't think so. Eppa Rixey was a >300K card from the beginning. He has only recently slipped below that mark.

[One Great Matrix]

No, he was listed for 120,000 PP and was one of the higher (not highest) but higher non-250,000+ plus cards, Orcin. This is an accurate account.

His listing was maxing out at 120,000 PP at the time of this post.

"Price discoverers" or whatever, & people's willingness to purchase, have brought his price up to 300,000 PP plus.

Perhaps it has been awhile now, that his price is higher than 120,000 but not from the beginning. He was available for 120,000 for the first 3 or 4 seasons at least.

The last counter to there is a need for a cap was that prices will go down with time & I am just noting here that they've gone up for the top cards. You can explain this away, but it is still true that the prices of the top cards tend to inflate.

At least 2 people have even mentioned that PT is a market game, mostly. Perhaps that's true for some, but I for one would like it if it were affordable enough if someone decided to invest say $300 in addition to the purchase of the game, & then strategies and such (baseball things (GM & Manager baseball decisions) were the main factors in a team's success or luck.

Or however it might have went with a 250,000 PP cap. I don't believe it would have discouraged the PP economy. You could still have a player for 250,000 PP whether you were the seller or the buyer but you wouldn't be able to create a sort of divide between the best players & the players that are considerably less productive.

[Westheim]

Much more ado about nothing.

[One Great Matrix]

Hey! Next to nothing.

[dkgo]

Your memory is either wrong or you were looking at just the initial price and not the final selling price. Rixley has been close to a top 5 pitcher in the game from the start and always above 300K

Prices have absolutely not gone up for the top cards. The very very top cards (perfect Cy, Walter, etc) are flat and the ones just below that (perfect Ripken, Aaron, etc) are actually dropping significantly as new cards like SE Boudreau, SE Walsh get introduced and become the best available at a position.

[Westheim]

Perfect Walt has actually come down from between 500k to 600k a few months ago to now just over 400k (that's the only elite card I have had and tracked from the start though).

Also, in my years here I have learned not to question Mr. Orcin. He's usually right.

[One Great Matrix]

Yes, it may have been the opening bid, dkgo but the opening bid is rarely ever as low as 120,000 PP now (may have) (that's one thing that happens with inflation is people are blind to their semi-subconscious desire to generate higher & higher numbers and don't even notice it happening, might tell you that it didn't happen at all until they're show the data), and generally even though some cards have come in lower for various reasons, the selling price has gone up...for instance the 90 Ozzy, I posted this before that card sold for triple digits, and that is true because I remember reading HiDesertAce's story of seeing if someone he knew could sell him for 100,000+ PP (listen it's almost a personal saga of mine, I've watched as so-called market experts do everything, everything but keep endless inflation from happening) ...I do not have the answer (I understand some see it as not only not a problem but their answer, NOT IN MY CASE, lol)...but a reasonable cap of some kind might definitely help, big picture. Endless inflation has been happening for the last 50 years. Believe me, there are better ways to manage a market than the promise of a higher number.

I really don't mean to make a big deal of it or be argumentative, I am interested in finding a way to curb this trend...even if it's outside of PT...endless inflation awareness. haha

Well, maybe a big deal or something of a big deal at least...I'd just like to see a high functioning credit system, so to speak, inside & outside of PT, where the market makes sense or more importantly the highest percentage of people possible are happy with it, doesn't mean they get whatever they want, means it would be something enjoyable to be involved in, as enjoyable as possible. This would be a good thing.

[Westheim]

If i put up one of my perfect historical pitchers with a 120k starting bid, will that make you *stop* with this stuff?

Because that would surely be worth it...

[One Great Matrix]

haaa haaa haaa

Whatever it takes, I feel better already, how about you?

Considerate beyond your bottom line. Beyond any single line.