Turn Storylines off??? - Page 5

BIG17EASY · 08-23-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by D-BacksJosh

C'mon people. If you are going to use the ellipsis, please use it correctly and only apply 3 dots.

Spoken like a true English major or journalist. (I'm the former and used to be the latter, as well.)

ashantewarrier · 08-23-2013, 12:52 PM

I can remember when Wolf did not want sound implemented in OOTP.
Wolfie also does not care for the scouting system too.

Wolfie just wants to turn everything off.

(I'm just busting your chops Wolf.

)

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I think the 'The Wolf' feature of this message board should be turned off. It produces many negative events with no possible positive events of equal probability or value.

I get the same problem with spleens. Please turn yourself off.

ashantewarrier · 08-23-2013, 12:59 PM

Getting back to Andreas OP, I agree with his comments. Constructive criticism can only enhance OOTP. As a parent myself, I personally did not care for the "children die" SL and was glad it was removed. But I can understand those who wanted it to remain as well.

That being said I don't think Andreas comments were an invitation to pile on Wolf, but to re-emphasize that dialogue should remain open and positive. I've always said that what makes this company stand apart from the other larger gaming companies is the developer's responsiveness to the user community.

As one who prefers historical fictional play I personally would love to see SL enhanced to reflect the era you're in. But I know that probably takes a backseat to other areas of the game that need to be enhanced/improved.

Andreas, thanks for the thoughts and I don't quite remember you being so vocal when we met in NYC back in May!

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

I can remember when Wolf did not want sound implemented in OOTP.
Wolfie also does not care for the scouting system too.

Wolfie just wants to turn everything off.

(I'm just busting your chops Wolf.

)

I turn ratings off too. Color me a minimalist.

Questdog · 08-23-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

I am continually upset by your overuse of periods. I am a person. Are you going to change to suit me?

I thought you were canine, but if you will quit being an annoying presence on these boards, I'll never use a period again

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

I thought you were canine, but if you will quit being an annoying presence on these boards, I'll never use a period again

It's not the use, it's the misuse.

I really don't try to be annoying. I just try to be honest and thorough.

Did anyone notice that none of my four questions about storylines have ever been answered by anyone?

EKomrska15 · 08-23-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Did anyone notice that none of my four questions about storylines have ever been answered by anyone?

This right here is our point. You never let up and continue to beat and beat and beat.......(done on purpose)

I think you've said this at least 3 or 4 times in this thread.

I honestly could not stand when you would jump in on a thread and the only thing you would contribute would be to say "TURN STORYLINES OFF". How does that contribute?

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EKomrska15

This right here is our point. You never let up and continue to beat and beat and beat.......(done on purpose)

I think you've said this at least 3 or 4 times in this thread.

I honestly could not stand when you would jump in on a thread and the only thing you would contribute would be to say "TURN STORYLINES OFF". How does that contribute?

It would solve the problem that people in the thread were having with storylines.

But I won't do that anymore. I still think that neither storylines nor league evolution are ready for prime time, though.

Forgive me for wondering why I can't get four simple questions answered. By anyone.

Questdog · 08-23-2013, 01:52 PM

1. What is the official purpose for storylines?

To tell stories(insert some dots here)duh(more dots)

2. Why have there been so many severely punitive outcomes from storyline stories (loss of market size, fan interest, etc.)?

The severity of the penalties of the type you mention in parentheses have been reduced(dots)

3. Why are there so very few positive outcomes to storylines?

Because newsworthy stories are rarely positive in real life(dots)

4. Did the OOTP design staff believe that there was insufficient randomness in the game before adding storylines?

It was not to add randomness, but to add variety(dots)and to attempt to make the OOTP world seem to be populated by actual persons rather than sets of ratings(dots)

Le Grande Orange · 08-23-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

It was not to add randomness, but to add variety(dots)and to attempt to make the OOTP world seem to be populated by actual persons rather than sets of ratings(dots)

Which is why I wish to see this sort of idea expanded to the league level. Interesting things have happened at the league level in baseball history... might be fun to have some of those recreated...

Thundercrack · 08-23-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Which is why I wish to see this sort of idea expanded to the league level. Interesting things have happened at the league level in baseball history... might be fun to have some of those recreated...

I thought that's what league evolution is intended to do, no?

The Wolf · 08-23-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

1. What is the official purpose for storylines?

To tell stories(insert some dots here)duh(more dots)

2. Why have there been so many severely punitive outcomes from storyline stories (loss of market size, fan interest, etc.)?

The severity of the penalties of the type you mention in parentheses have been reduced(dots)

3. Why are there so very few positive outcomes to storylines?

Because newsworthy stories are rarely positive in real life(dots)

4. Did the OOTP design staff believe that there was insufficient randomness in the game before adding storylines?

It was not to add randomness, but to add variety(dots)and to attempt to make the OOTP world seem to be populated by actual persons rather than sets of ratings(dots)

In no particular order:

1. Storylines have overwhelmingly negative outcomes. Real baseball does not. Right now turning storylines on can be a handicap. It certainly can be depressing or upsetting (see the recent thread on the death of a child).

2. The punitive outcomes were reduced, but still exist, and are unbalanced. Why?

3. Storylines significantly increase the randomness in a league. You are telling me that no one considered this or cares about it?

4. If the purpose was to tell stories, then why so many punitive outcomes? You can tell entertaining stories without them.

David Watts · 08-23-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

In no particular order:

1. Storylines have overwhelmingly negative outcomes. Real baseball does not. Right now turning storylines on can be a handicap. It certainly can be depressing or upsetting (see the recent thread on the death of a child).

2. The punitive outcomes were reduced, but still exist, and are unbalanced. Why?

3. Storylines significantly increase the randomness in a league. You are telling me that no one considered this or cares about it?

4. If the purpose was to tell stories, then why so many punitive outcomes? You can tell entertaining stories without them.

Don't bite my head off, but can you explain number 3?

Andreas Raht · 08-23-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EKomrska15

This right here is our point. You never let up and continue to beat and beat and beat.......(done on purpose)

I think you've said this at least 3 or 4 times in this thread.

I honestly could not stand when you would jump in on a thread and the only thing you would contribute would be to say "TURN STORYLINES OFF". How does that contribute?

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

It would solve the problem that people in the thread were having with storylines.

That's what you're doing wrong, Wolf. What you suggest is like suggesting to quit playing OOTP when somebody found a bug.

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Forgive me for wondering why I can't get four simple questions answered.
By anyone.

And that's the next part of your "method". As soon as people ask you to stop trolling, you get pseudo-serious, behave demonstratively well and as if you're the most constructive forum user of all.

Questdog · 08-23-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

In no particular order:

1. Storylines have overwhelmingly negative outcomes. Real baseball does not. Right now turning storylines on can be a handicap. It certainly can be depressing or upsetting (see the recent thread on the death of a child).

2. The punitive outcomes were reduced, but still exist, and are unbalanced. Why?

3. Storylines significantly increase the randomness in a league. You are telling me that no one considered this or cares about it?

4. If the purpose was to tell stories, then why so many punitive outcomes? You can tell entertaining stories without them.

In a particularly particular order:

1) Support your statement that newsworthy stories in real baseball of the type that could be covered in a storyline thread are not mostly negative(dots)as the prevailing notion is the opposite, the burden of proof is on you(dots)

2) Support your statement that the punitive results are unbalanced(dots)what does that mean?

3) Do you understand the statistical implications of randomness?(dots)in a typical OOTP season there are probably in the neighborhood of a quarter million events influenced by random die rolls(dots)adding a handful more would not fall under the statistically significant umbrella(dots)

4) This is just a rewording of the first question, so see number one for the answer(dots)

Gambo · 08-23-2013, 02:36 PM

The punitive outcome for your team can be seen as a positive for the rest of the league or another player in your organization.

Imagine if there was no punitive storyline for Wally Pipp. There would be no positive one for Lou Gehrig.

Also the reason there are more negative storylines is likely that they are developed by people and people are often drawn to the macabre. If the developers specifically requested positive storylines be contributed then we'd get more.

Le Grande Orange · 08-23-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundercrack

I thought that's what league evolution is intended to do, no?

Sort of. League evolution couldn't, for example, have a club's park suffer a fire or other structural issue, forcing the club to play on the road for an extended period of time. (True story: in 1994 problems at the Kingdome would have forced Seattle to play the remainder of its games on the road. As it happened the strike cut the season short, but had it not, the Mariners would have ended up playing a 30-game road trip.)

fhomess · 08-23-2013, 02:48 PM

EDIT- Scratch that. Reread and understood.

rpriske · 08-23-2013, 02:51 PM

Point the first - I like storylines

Point the second - I find the Wold as annoying as the next guy does. I had him blocked for quite some time

Having said both points, the list of suggestions he posted a couple of pages back was actually pretty good. Those would be (some) good guidelines in making storylines better.

08-23-2013, 12:52 PM	#82
ashantewarrier Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, NJ via Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,293 Blog Entries: 7	I can remember when Wolf did not want sound implemented in OOTP. Wolfie also does not care for the scouting system too. Wolfie just wants to turn everything off. (I'm just busting your chops Wolf. ) __________________ "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being." -Jackie Robinson, #42 Brooklyn Dodgers *"Hitting is better than sex."* - Reggie Jackson

08-23-2013, 12:59 PM	#84
ashantewarrier Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, NJ via Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,293 Blog Entries: 7	Getting back to Andreas OP, I agree with his comments. Constructive criticism can only enhance OOTP. As a parent myself, I personally did not care for the "children die" SL and was glad it was removed. But I can understand those who wanted it to remain as well. That being said I don't think Andreas comments were an invitation to pile on Wolf, but to re-emphasize that dialogue should remain open and positive. I've always said that what makes this company stand apart from the other larger gaming companies is the developer's responsiveness to the user community. As one who prefers historical fictional play I personally would love to see SL enhanced to reflect the era you're in. But I know that probably takes a backseat to other areas of the game that need to be enhanced/improved. Andreas, thanks for the thoughts and I don't quite remember you being so vocal when we met in NYC back in May! __________________ "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being." -Jackie Robinson, #42 Brooklyn Dodgers *"Hitting is better than sex."* - Reggie Jackson Last edited by ashantewarrier; 08-23-2013 at 01:11 PM.

08-23-2013, 02:36 PM	#97
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	The punitive outcome for your team can be seen as a positive for the rest of the league or another player in your organization. Imagine if there was no punitive storyline for Wally Pipp. There would be no positive one for Lou Gehrig. Also the reason there are more negative storylines is likely that they are developed by people and people are often drawn to the macabre. If the developers specifically requested positive storylines be contributed then we'd get more. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

08-23-2013, 02:48 PM	#99
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,585	EDIT- Scratch that. Reread and understood. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

08-23-2013, 01:52 PM	#90
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	1. What is the official purpose for storylines? To tell stories(insert some dots here)duh(more dots) 2. Why have there been so many severely punitive outcomes from storyline stories (loss of market size, fan interest, etc.)? The severity of the penalties of the type you mention in parentheses have been reduced(dots) 3. Why are there so very few positive outcomes to storylines? Because newsworthy stories are rarely positive in real life(dots) 4. Did the OOTP design staff believe that there was insufficient randomness in the game before adding storylines? It was not to add randomness, but to add variety(dots)and to attempt to make the OOTP world seem to be populated by actual persons rather than sets of ratings(dots)

08-23-2013, 02:51 PM	#100
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 23,986 Blog Entries: 1	Point the first - I like storylines Point the second - I find the Wold as annoying as the next guy does. I had him blocked for quite some time Having said both points, the list of suggestions he posted a couple of pages back was actually pretty good. Those would be (some) good guidelines in making storylines better.