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I don't know any details. Could you provide them for me?
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I have to sheepishly admit I haven't read up on exactly how the Sox cheated. Every time I have time to delve deeper into it, I wind up distracted by some other shiny object. But I assume it was similar to what the Stros did. If true, then, yeah, he's tainted.
Like I've said before, your commitment to preventing bad acts is measured by your willingness to discipline it. These players taint the rep of the game. Their personal rep should thus suffer the consequences. That scarlet letter should be severe enough to tell all onlookers it ain't worth it. There is a Biblical proverb I read just this morning... "When a ridiculer is punished, the inexperienced become wiser,". I don't feel having standards should go out of style. And as I mentioned before, the business of competition has to assure the public all participants are giving their all within the prescribed rules. It is in the best interest of the leagues to be hardliners when it comes to these issues. Especially when everyone was reminded specifically about this rule.
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I am all for punishment. Harsh punishment. What I am not in favor of is seeing a group of voters try to read tea leaves in 15 years and divine what if any portion of the careers the likes of Altuve, Betts, et cetera were impacted by this type of cheating and to what degree and how much were they in on it or simply benefiting from it et cetera. Have a bright-line banned list for the hall or don't.
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Not condoning the cheating, just questioning how much affect it actually has.
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No clue whether it's true or not, but not sure how willing I personally am to give them the benefit of the doubt in believing they actually stopped on their own accord |
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Rather than the Astros stopping because they thought it didn't help them isn't an explanation. More likely they stopped because it didn't help them enough to justify the risk.
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Problem is that we simply don't know if it helped or not. Maybe the player striking out wasn't paying attention to the signal. We don't know. However we do know that the players conspired to give themselves an advantage by illegal means and should be in the least suspended. Whether it helped them or not is irrelevant. How long they should be suspended i don't know. Last edited by BaseballMan; 01-15-2020 at 07:08 PM. |
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I don't have a problem with Verlander going to the hall as nothing ive heard as mentioned any advantage for Astro's pitchers.
My one concern is that how believable is it that he or any of the non participating players didn't know of it and did nothing. I'm not ready to i hold it against him from making the hall if he did know but man this seems like the case for Buck Weaver to get removed of the ban list. Not that it matters to a dead man but maybe his family. |
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With Red Sox and then Astros ---- all teams try to steal signs and read pitchers for tipping pitches BUT it is the use of TECH to steal and transmit pitch that steps over the line and is cheating the game ...... Baseball is trying to speed up the game -- limiting visits to mound ( you can not steal if I just tell him the pitch and location ...... https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41169907 FROM 2017 ---- two years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBbecHWVjIE
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Also, I don't have the stats, but I've heard that the home/away splits for certain players (including those highly-suspected of participating in the scheme), and for the BlackStros overall in the 2017 postseason, when compared to other seasons, etc., paint a pretty convincing picture that the scheme had some success. |
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In my current OOTP game, Beltran is on my team. What should I do? Should the commish suspend him? If the commish doesn't should I trade him?
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Did he also cheat in your imaginary world?
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As for the players from those teams I have changed some of there traits like leadership and such. Haven't touched the pitchers from those teams though. |
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Maybe Vegas can do some odds on this. I would love to take that bet.
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Now Beltran is gone as well. If Logan Morrison is telling the truth will the Dodgers and Yankees follow suit?
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My guess would be know for the Yanks at least. MLB did say they are not investigating them.
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