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Edit - you mentioned the DH penalty and my Williams was a DH also. But Keeler has been my DH and he has still hits as well as he has so far. Hopefully he doesn't go into the tank after all this praise. Last edited by <Pion>; 07-16-2019 at 10:47 AM. |
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In the 1980s I was working on my PhD in History and my thesis was that the 1914 World Series was thrown (I still believe it, btw). I spent many hours going through many sports pages on microfiche and wasted a good deal of time reading stuff that wasnīt related to my particular project at all. The time may have been wasted but it was well-spent nonetheless. With fielding, the problem is simply that the conditions then were so utterly different that it makes it difficult to rate guys who played prior to World War Two. Regarding stl jasonīs excellent post above comparing Speaker and Trout, the glove Speaker used would fit inside Troutīs with room to spare, while Speakerīs excellent range would bring him chances that a mere mortal would never have had, and of course with the inherent chances of making an error, which of course was more common with the gloves in use at the time. Therefore fielding percentage is useless when trying to rate old time players. And we wonīt even go into the condition of the balls in use up to the 1920s, which definitely made things interesting for all concerned. And then thereīs trying to rate the Negro Leaguers... Iīm really curious how ootp would rate Hal Chase. During his career he was noted as perhaps the best fielding first baseman up to that time, the GOAT if you will. Unfortunately Mr Chase supplemented his income by throwing games, so along with the usual problem of gloves and ball condition, he also made a ton of errors on purpose. But the only thing we have to go by nowadays is the fielding record, which would make him something under 50 Iīm sure, while closer to the mark, based on contemporary opinions, would be over 100. I donīt pretend to set myself up as the end-all authority on this stuff, but it is something I grew up with, quite literally as Dizzy Dean was my cousin (and Paul as well, of course ), and I have studied this era extensively. And while weīre at it, another first baseman who gets the shaft is Mickey Vernon.
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07-16-2019, 11:43 AM | #23 | |
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Not moaning. Just grew up watching him and he was always highly regarded for his glove. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-time#slide15 See #15 on the list, for whatever it's worth. Also note number 2 - one of my favorite cards in the game (and many other's favorite too I'm sure). Same thing with Lorenzo Cain. I watch him daily and he makes spectacular plays. The press in Milwaukee constantly talks about how he is robbed of a gold glove every year. In Perfect Team, he's like a 70 DEF. https://www.brewcrewball.com/2018/10...center-fielder Last edited by Cheesehead1964; 07-16-2019 at 11:58 AM. |
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07-16-2019, 11:49 AM | #24 | |
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Interesting read on speaker (#3 on this list): http://baseballegg.com/how-we-ranked...s-of-all-time/ |
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07-16-2019, 11:51 AM | #25 |
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Getting back on topic, while itīs not a specific rating, it doesnīt get a lot of air time here on the forum, and that is the setting of individual strategies. My main team is a high average great defense team that last year hit all of 75 homeruns. We have always had problems scoring but I found after reviewing each player and trying to set a strategy that would maximize their skills it really paid off. We went from near the bottom in scoring up to the first division so I can highly recommend setting guys up to give them the best chance to score or drive in a run.
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07-16-2019, 12:05 PM | #27 | |
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"Getting back on topic..." LOL! I've gotten off my own topic! This thread is an interesting read though... I've created a lot of teams that hit for high average (near leading the league) but can't score runs. My Negro League theme team is a good example. Always hit for average. Never score runs. I'm clueless on how to set up individual strategies, but I'm sure it would pay off. Tips? Or what global strategy should I use? I've tried both small ball and Sabermetric but haven't seen huge improvement from switching.... |
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07-16-2019, 12:14 PM | #28 | |
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Despite your lack of scoring, the Negro Leaguers seem to have done quite okay. My problem is I like my guys so much I hate to upgrade. I still have Bill Terry at first (yes, another guy who gets the shaft defensively), and really I should have a hairy-backed power hitter there. Sentimentality gets you nowhere. Global strategy I am very ignorant on aside from the basics. Honestly, the modern game has passed me by for sure. But for individual strategy, I simply set steal ratings higher for guys with over 80 ratings. For Tim Raines itīs all the way to the end, other guys just past the middle and so on, depending on the rating. The same goes for baserunning. I think this one is really important and can give you an edge in scoring if you use it properly. Guys like Boggs donīt touch, you donīt want them running any more than is necessary, but the better baserunners can be set to more aggressive. What I donīt understand is how Speed affects things. And then guys who have good contact and donīt strikeout so much I let hit and run more often. I donīt use this with power hitters though (like I have any).
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07-16-2019, 12:30 PM | #29 | |
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Cool Papa Bell would be the perfect player to set for aggressive baserunning. In fact I'm sure I did that many seasons ago. Problem is I have so many players higher on the depth chart, he doesn't see much action... |
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07-16-2019, 12:39 PM | #30 | |
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But yes, he would be perfect to let loose for baserunning and I would think stealing as well. Raines steals around 60-70 every year for me, and I think (if you used him!) Bell would easily do the same. You do know he could switch off the light and get into bed before the room got dark, right?
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While I agree with your closing sentiment in regards to winning, the joy it can bring is a different thing. With PT19 I tried my best to field winning teams and did fine. With PT20, I've found more enjoyment from seeing the guys on my team that I want to be there. Winning is fleeting and for me the thrill is gone in a very short time following the victory. Seeing a guy you like that puts up the kind of stats you like playing year after year is the kind of fun that lasts for me. So Sliding Billy Hamilton still has his starting spot even though Teddy Ballgame puts up a better OPS and rides the bench.
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Speed is important because it is the primary stat. From my observation, someone with 50 speed 80 basestealing is just an overconfident idiot who think he's legit when he's not -- kind of like the dude in your pickup team that said he can hit the three ball and he always disappoint. Like I have seen dudes like that get caught a lot, and their 80 basestealing is asking the sim to let them steal but their 50 speed tells the sim they will fail -- so they tried and failed. All in all, they are a disaster and free out for the opponent. I tend to pull the bars of these fellows to the left so they don't go crazy when not needed. Same goes for baserunning. A good speedster should have close to 1:1:1 on all three speed stats, or you have to adjust the sliders accordingly. Also, I have seen massive difference between a 70 speed guy and a 90 speed guy when it comes to running performance. Speed is a legit stat. Last edited by Goliathus; 07-16-2019 at 12:50 PM. |
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The speed rating (plus strategy setting) determines how often a SB attempt is made, then the stolen base rating (plus catcher arm and pitcher hold) determines if it is successful. "A combination of strategy settings for stealing bases and Running Speed is used to determine how often a runner is given a "green light" to steal a base. Speed and pitcher Hold Rating then determine how good a jump the runner gets. If he gets a good jump and goes (ie a stolen base attempt) the Catcher Arm, pitcher Hold Rating, the type of pitch and Stealing Bases rating are the factors which determine whether the runner is safe." Last edited by dkgo; 07-16-2019 at 01:03 PM. |
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This is my first year playing PT and I love it but I progressed way too quickly. I enjoyed building the winning teams, and now have switched to theme teams because I enjoy collecting the cards. But floundering in Perfect hasn't been too fun. Next year I'm going to do a much slower burn, either with FTP or different theme teams. Last edited by Cheesehead1964; 07-16-2019 at 01:53 PM. |
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Iīm definitely having a better time this way. Like Pion was saying, itīs nice having guys you actually like on your team. Viva Bill Terry!
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In terms of the topic, I love a Moneyball approach. What I can tell you is Contact, Movement, and Defense are definitely not undervalued, as they are pretty meta ratings. I'm trying to find things in cards that are actually undervalued. Bunting are a team strategy is definitely not useful. Speed as an overall strategy is a little more useful. Stuff is regarded as the worst of the 3 pitcher ratings by a lot of people, but I really like it for PP generation and for offensive ballparks. |
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What about the Eye rating? I guess of all of the batting ratings, I find that one sort of overlooked, yet pretty important. At least in my experience.
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Power bump from 10 to 40? Meh, not worth much. Eye bump from 10 to 40? A lot better card. |
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