Day Boxing League Ratings

[ThBeatnik]

This is my "I am an idiot" post.

While the tbdx file for Dom McCaffery still crashes, TB itself is now working fine. The crashing during fights I'd been experiencing was due to my having disabled my sound card earlier (I do that to avoid crashes when playing Everquest, and had forgotten to turn the sound back on after my latest session).
Therefore,it can be concluded that
I Am An Idiot.

[wildhawke11]

Noooooooooo
Just like us All ( human ) LOL

[jrmorgan56]

McCaffrey added....also CornerWork now has a directory under CONTENT that lists all the fighters in each encyclopedia...

[vistaman44]

Any new oldtimers to add to the Day League fighters, Dean?

[djday45]

Mark,
I am about half way through the 18 middleweights who will compete in the Day Boxing league in 1884.

I will post them all in one big zip in a couple of days.

Rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Here are the 18 Middleweights I will be using for my Day Boxing league in 1884.
16 of them are new plus a tweaked Dempsey and Fitzsimmons as a middleweight.

Let me state my thks to JMMorgan for his great bareknuckle site and Swampdragon for his Mike Donovan rating which I used as a great basis for my own.

Rgds
Dean

[swampdragon]

This is an eagerly awaited group. I really want to see what you did with Donovan, since he was my first serious try at rating a fighter on my own.

[vistaman44]

Nice job, Dean, as always. Appreciate the contributions!

[swampdragon]

This was interesting. We were very close on Donovan and Burke, but I rated the others much lower than you did. Looking back, I can see where you are right. At the time, I felt that in a game where Kilrain was a 3 and Mitchell a 4, that LaBlanche, Clow and McClellan necessarily should be 1s and 2s. I upgraded Burke and Donovan when I restarted and decided to use your upgraded versions of Mitchell, Kilrain, and Godfrey, but I did not change LaBlanche or the others. I will probably go back and rerate all these guys after I finish their careers.

[djday45]

Swampdragon,
Who is to say my ratings are any better than yours? it's all subjective right? whatever works for you in the end is what's important.

When rating fighters (especially as a group) they must work together and interact results wise as they did in real life as much as possible.
To get this result you must test, test and test again. Also I try to start with the best fighters and slowly work down and out to the further reaches of the division I am attempting to rate.
If I am happy with both Fitz & Dempsey's ratings then I know I am starting with a good solid foundation on which I can put their opponents ratings such as LaBlanche and then his opponents and so on.
Always also trying to take in effect the different career stages and style differences hopefully you can get to a realistic set of results.
But remember rating fighters this far back is like trying to do the job blindfolded as there is such little accurate information.

Rgds
Dean

[djday45]

I will now start researching the Lightweights that I will be introducing into the Day League replay in 1886.

Rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Here are the 18 Lightweights I will be using in my Day Boxing League replay in 1886.

There are 16 new lightweights rated and tweaked versions of Lavigne and Murphy.

The group as a whole is the best and deepest division I have yet rated in the time period with some really outstanding fighters topped of by the great Jack McAuliffe.

They have all been tested throughly against each other for historical bouts and I am very pleased with the results.

I will now start researching the Welterweights who are due to make their debut in the League in 1888.

Due to this project my other projects (60-62 ratings and forgotten black fighters) have had to take a backseat. But once the Welters are out of the way I will return to them.

The Featherweight and Bantamweights divisions were not historically recognised until the 1890's and the Light Heavy and Flyweights until the twentieth century, So I have lots of time in the replay before I have to start to worry about those divisions.

Hope you enjoy them.

Rgds
Dean

[swampdragon]

As always, I intend to put your fighters to good use immediately. I have attempted to rate Jack (Bubbles) Davis who had a draw with Donovan and a win and draw woth Clow. He then moved up to heavyweight and was hammered by Choynski and Maher. His record on boxrec is very incomplete, so I was working without much information. If you're interested I'll post him.

[djday45]

Originally posted by swampdragon
As always, I intend to put your fighters to good use immediately. I have attempted to rate Jack (Bubbles) Davis who had a draw with Donovan and a win and draw woth Clow. He then moved up to heavyweight and was hammered by Choynski and Maher. His record on boxrec is very incomplete, so I was working without much information. If you're interested I'll post him.

Thks Swampdragon, by all means post Davis. What weight do you have him rated at? by your description he sounds more like a middleweight.

Rgds
Dean

[swampdragon]

I rated Davis at Middleweight. I think you would have to adjust for weight class when he fights Maher. Choynski was a small heavyweight. Davis' last fight was a KO1 by Joe Butler-"police intervened". Because of that and the 5 year layoff before the fight, I didn't use it for this rating. I remembered wrong and he actually has 2 wins over Clow, one by KO. He did go the distance with Choynski and Maher but lost both fights.

Jack (Bubbles) Davis MW US
1881-1897
(3-3-1) incomplete
Slugger/Occ
CF 9/8
HP 5
CKD 2
CKO 2
REC 2
CUT 1
AP 2
KI 6
AGG 7
END 8
DEF 2
FS 2
OR 2
DP 3
CN 2
FI 2
FO 1
CU 2
KO 2
PL 36
CP 36
PM 62
CL 70
Jab 16/4
Hook 21/5
Cross 23/6
Comb 8/2
Upp 12/3
I 5
P 10

[djday45]

Swampdragon,
Thks for Davis, He will be included in the 1885 Box off tourney for a place in the Middleweight Prospect league.

Have you any other guys of the period rated? Don't be shy now!

Rgds
Dean

[swampdragon]

Most of my fighters come from you or the BKB site. I have Charles Hadley rated and think I am fairly close with him. I also have Mike Cleary, but he's probably not good enough to make your 1885 team. Much like Davis, his ratings are hampered by an incomplete fighting record. I'll try to post Hadley today. Cleary needs testing before I post him.

I had to start over (again), this time due to my desire to use Cube's database and your middleweights. I am back to early 1882 and have taken the pledge that I have made my last restart. Otherwise, I'll never get out of the 1880s

[jofre]

Still unable to import records. The fighter file is empty after the import.

[swampdragon]

Charles Hadley was one of the top black heavyweights of the 1880s. He never fought Sullivan, Kilrain, or Mitchell, but had several bouts with George Godfrey. My rating is based on his boxrec record, which I am sure is incomplete. By 1879, when my replay started, Hadley was 33, so I suspect his true prime numbers would be better.

Charles (Professor) Hadley
b.1846 (1869-1891) (22-8-5)
S-OCC

CF 7/7
HP 4
KD 3
KO 3
REC 2
CUT 2
AP 2
KI 5
AGG 6
DEF 2
FS 0
OR 2
DP 1
CN 2
I 5
FI 2
FO 2
CU 2
KO 1
PL 36
CP 36
PM 64
CL 73
J 25/5
H 18/2
Cr 22.5/2.5
Cb 8.5/1.5
U 14/1

[vistaman44]

Originally posted by jofre
Still unable to import records. The fighter file is empty after the import.

This is very strange, Jofre. Better e-mail Andreas directly and tell him what happens, step by step.