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Edit: You are 100% right about people doing dumb stuff in general. Sometimes you'll see an Iron with a million dollar starting price.....I can only assume it was a 4 year old trying to be funny. Last edited by mcdog512; 03-12-2019 at 06:49 PM. |
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What im saying is - who are we to say how people can "enjoy" their game. There is no legit "reset" option. You cant delete your team and start over. So some people are bound to take matters into their own hands, for whatever their own personal reasons for doing so are. |
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I paid $150 for my All Time Red Sox team, with the real $ invested mid to late Gold Season. Now, I had moved immediately from Bronze to Silver to Gold, to only two years in Diamond, before being promoted to Perfect. Since then, my team has gone: 71-91, 68-94, 73-89, 69-93, and finally 80-82. I had read time and time again, the plight of those that spent their way to Perfect, only to realize they were going to be [mostly] mired in mediocrity (and financial regret). I ignored those warnings, and convinced myself that the money was worth the fun of rooting for my team. 6 seasons later, and other than Monday mornings, I dont even look at this team anymore. Good times. I bring this up, not so much to neccessarily defend myself, but to bring to light my experience that led to this decision - in hopes that it: 1. Helps someone avoid the pitfalls I experienced (and are scattered ad nauseum throughout this forum) and 2. Puts some of these issues back on the table for Dev's, in hopes that this game gets even better for '20. First, its my team, my time, and my money. What I decide to do with it is my business. Manage your own life. Second, With the amount of money (and ultimately, talent) Ive invested in this team, I wouldve still expected better than a .445 winning percentage over 5 seasons. Now, I run a FTP team as well - which incidentally, has become tremendously more enjoyable season after season. Between these two teams, I've witnessed my fair share of statistical variance - that I sum up as "the majority of the outcomes of this game are pretty close to pure luck". I would use the NFLs parity as an example, but I think even that has a more linear outcome than this game does at this point. So then, what did my $150 buy me? A difference in .250 AVG vs .195 current, and a 4.42 ERA vs. 5.54 current. So, part of this was an experiment. To see if I was truly buying an advantage, or just some preceived level of joy. For an almost all Silver THEME'd team, Id say they're doing just fine. Third, competitiveness. As of this writing, my team has given up 10 runs or more 7 times, with a max of 12 runs. My FTP team? 3. I'm not getting blown out, and no one is "raping" PP from me. My $ team averaged 70.2 wins over 5 years, and is on pace for 36.5 this year, with a difference of 33.7. Not insignificant, but inherently not enough to swing things too unevenly one way or another spread out over a whole season. Id say no more or less than your odds of running into and having to play versus "whales" from league to league. Lastly, what am I doing now? Which also brings us to the question of "if and when you do get 'stuck', how do you get out of it?" Well, Im selling off some of my talent in hopes of acquiring some more "competitive" THEME'd talent - as apparently historical 95's-97's arent good enough. Unfortunately, this is a process that takes time, and considering were in the final two weeks of OOTP '19, well it kinda is what it is at this point, dont'cha think? Oh, and while Im more than capable of buying PP to my hearts content, I certainly dont need the 7k-10k vs 2k-4k difference in PP every season (not that the extra 4k-5k difference per season apparently matters much anyway - considering ~250k PP doesnt...). That said though, going into '20, what are you supposed to do? I can tell you - after dumping significant time and money into this team, that it lost its fun. I understand Im not going to win every season, but for $150 and countless hours, I dont want to lose either. How would you suggest starting over? ps. If OOTP wants to ban me for this, than by all means. Ill put my time and money back into MLB The Show instead of here. Just my two cents... |
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My suggestion for starting over is to play your other team if this one is no fun. OOTP 20 is about to start, you will get a do-over then too.
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I think we're going to have to let the OOTP staff decide this. I understand both sides, and what's missing in the game is the option to "rebuild". I don't know if my earlier suggestion would work or not - but there should be a way for an owner to rebuild - and without that option, there's always going to be a question of "how much is too much?".
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the crux of the issue imo is that under the current structure there really is no reward for moving up like in similar games.
Having an average team for a level is the exact same gameplay experience at every level. You can pay 30K FP for a 96 rated player who gets 3 WAR at diamond, or pay 300 FP for a 76 rated player who gets 3 WAR at bronze and its the same experience during the week. It's not like FIFA where you actually get to play with your new flashy players, the gameplay itself is different as you improve your ultimate team, and you get increased coin/card rewards at higher levels of performance. In perfect team the player is just the stats they produce. I dont know the solution or even if other people consider it an issue but thats how it feels to me thinking about PT 20. Tournaments do seem like a promising alternative mode of play. Last edited by dkgo; 03-14-2019 at 11:06 AM. |
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The problem with increasing awards for higher levels is that there are many who already complain about the rich getting richer since as it stands now, those who "have" are going to earn more PP naturally through their teams performance which widens the gap between those who spend up front and those who don't. If the points increase with each level, they will be getting the increased benefit the same as others you hope to help, and yet even more so. The gap increases, prices in the AH most likely go even further out of sight for some of the best players, and the problem remains the same. |
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People don't seem to mind this. Though it might break the TOS (intentionally losing), it is at least done in a way that does not upset the balance of the league.
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I don't know why everyone thinks that tournaments will make a difference. The same people that are dominating you in your league will be dominating those tournaments too. The people who think money is the key should realize that the money will chase all of those key tournament cards, restricting their availability and driving their price out of reach. If tournaments offer very desirable cards, why would the whales ignore them? If Len Barker (for example) is important in a silver tourney, they will just buy every Barker card that comes on the market to keep them away from their competitors.
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I play this game so I can play with the baseball cards of my youth. I don't really care about current LIVE cards, so I use as few as possible.
I was in the original 'up swing' of not so good teams swept into Gold with the first wave of population--Sooners, so to speak. My first team was pretty ordinary. However since it has been around as long as any team, I have accumulated many interesting old-timer 60's-rated cards that I'd like to see play but aren't really good enough for a GOLD league. But I WANT to see Snuffy Stirnweiss play. So in he goes, as does George Wright and several others. And I go down a notch, perhaps two. Honestly, I don't give a crap how this affects anyone else. I play for fun and memories. I want to play those whom I want to be in the lineup. I'm disappointed they don't do better, but only a lower league will bring that.
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