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11-05-2018, 11:59 AM | #1 |
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Perfect DiMaggio
Joe... not Dom. He is priced at 60K PP. I am thinking that no player is worth 60 packs. What say you?
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11-05-2018, 12:03 PM | #2 |
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Tend to agree. I don't think that's a serious listing though (no none will have 60k PP yet for one thing), probably just a bit of showing off going on. And understandably so, with a Perfect DiMaggio
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11-05-2018, 12:13 PM | #3 |
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11-05-2018, 12:17 PM | #4 |
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I think yes, it is. Eventually, it's gonna take a lot more than 60 packs to be able to upgrade your team. It's not like you can spend points on anything other than players.
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11-05-2018, 12:25 PM | #5 |
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A historical perfect, once the payment system is live, will probably never sell as cheaply as 60K.
Perfect odds: 1/1000, and historical odds are even slimmer (I think 1/3?) on top of that. That's ~160+ packs per Perfect pull (1000/6 cards per pack), even more for a historical. I know that's just rough back-of-napkin type math, but I think it's pretty clear that any historical (or maybe even Live) perfect card will be instantly snapped up if the 'Buy It Now' is 50-60K PP. I expect some to sell for several hundred thousand PP eventually, if not more. We'll see what inflation looks like over time, but even at the outset I think 50-60K will be considered a steal for cards like DiMaggio, Ruth, Ohtani Future Legend (assuming it's Perfect, since I never saw it even in the closed beta with unlimited packs), maybe even Trout and other Live cards, etc. |
11-05-2018, 12:48 PM | #6 |
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How much does 1000PP cost? If it is US $1, then there is no way someone will pay $300-400 for a digital card that has no tangible benefit other than showing off for a matter of a few months.
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11-05-2018, 12:55 PM | #7 |
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11-05-2018, 01:02 PM | #8 |
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11-05-2018, 01:35 PM | #9 |
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Depends on how many months you want to save up!
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Oh, and there actually are people who will pay that sort of money for cards, believe me. |
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11-05-2018, 01:48 PM | #11 |
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11-05-2018, 02:03 PM | #12 | |
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2) Because R > G in this game mode, you don't need to spend $300 to get 300,000 PP if you have a smaller initial investment to pair with some patience and savvy. There may be discounts for bulk PP purchases, for one thing (think the devs have mentioned that). For another, you can probably spend ~$25-100 on PP, then use the initial 'investment' to flip things in the AH and/or build a stacked enough team to generate PP consistently. Eventually, even a F2P player will be able to (with enough work) have enough PP to bid on a lower-level Perfect card now and again (probably not DiMaggio or Ruth), if they save up long enough and consistently make smart sales and purchases. |
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11-05-2018, 02:12 PM | #13 | |
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The odd of a given card not being perfect is 99.9%, which means the breakeven point of having had a 50% chance of having drawn a perfect is 693 cards (log(.5)/log(.999)), which means it would take 139 packs to have a 50% chance of having drawn at least one perfect. Eww. |
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11-05-2018, 02:40 PM | #14 |
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I honestly think that this is a non-issue, because there's no way anyone will be able to sell the card. It's like trying to trade Mike Trout in real life. Nobody can afford to give the Angels what they deserve for him, and the Angels aren't going to settle for less than what they deserve. Besides, once you have a perfect, there's no point in selling it, as all getting points can do is...hopefully find more diamonds and perfects.
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11-05-2018, 02:50 PM | #15 | |
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Perfect Cards aren't artificially inflated, they're really just the "best" cards, but the difference between a Perfect Card and a 96-99 Diamond for instance, will likely be minimal to non-existent in some cases. The Diamond card might even be better. In other cases it might be clear that the Perfect Card is better, but it depends on what specific cards you're talking about. So there's definitely a possible advantage to be gained to selling Perfect Cards off and using them as fodder to open more packs and get more shots at multiple other great cards. Of course, for that to work, you have to be lucky in what you pull after you sell the Perfect Card, so there's definitely a risk involved in going that route...
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Who am I to argue with a pro, so I will take your word for this. Markus obviously agrees and he is betting on it... literally. Quote:
I still maintain that a player would be better off putting 60K points into 60 regular packs or 12 gold packs than one card, assuming that the player is trying to win and not attempting to accomplish some collection goal. The yield from 60 regular packs is expected to be at least 3 diamonds and 9 golds, and 12 gold packs would yield 12 gold cards for sure. The impact from those 12+ cards would be more than any one single card on any team below the highest level. At the very least, you could sell those cards, buy the perfect, and still have points left to spend elsewhere. I concede that if you already have a team of all diamonds, then that one perfect card might be better than 12 cards to sell. |
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11-05-2018, 03:53 PM | #17 | |
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'Return rate of capital is greater than the overall growth rate of the economy,' i.e. 'the rich get richer,' because owning capital of any kind (patents, buildings, companies, employees' contracts, information, etc.) and renting it out (or sitting on it while it appreciates in value faster than the economy grows) outpaces earnings from other sources of income (i.e. labor and services, non-durable/consumable goods, etc.)
In PT, the only capital is the cards, and having better ones means you should (with a big enough sample over time) get more PP than the average person in the economy, thus making your comparably richer. Quote:
I think we'll see a lot of high-level cards hit the market in the early days, as there'll be a pack opening frenzy and people will feel exactly as you do sell it and open dozens more packs to build a team from. If they've already bought several hundred packs, they might sit on it until they see what they open. Speaking of pack opening frenzies, a note for the devs: PT is potentially super streamable for whales, they'll have plenty to do once they're working the auction house a lot. This will be even more true in 20 and onwards as tournaments, etc. get added. Probably some good marketing opportunities in there if you can get some big twitch streamers into it. Some of them have got to be baseball fans looking for a change of gaming pace... Last edited by el_gringo; 11-05-2018 at 03:55 PM. |
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11-06-2018, 09:19 AM | #19 |
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putting perfect cards up for auction repeatedly, hopeful that it sells eventually, does have a small opportunity cost of not being used in the lineup
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11-10-2018, 10:34 AM | #20 |
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You've obviously...
never seen the pack of fools that inhabit TSB. These people whine on reddit about dropping $2000 with nothing to show for it. It'll happen here too. Odds are at least one of us is dull witted enough to do it...<<smugly grinning>>not me, of course. I only invest in Coca-Cola, IBM, and AT&T!
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