Rating Judges

[Dragon-Wolf]

Has anyone here ever rated any of the judges for bias'?

If so, which judges and what were their bias'?

Ciao,
John

[Shaft081]

Harold Valan is biased towards hometown fighters in my unierse based on this


Chuck Wepner vs. Ernie Terrell - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

and the fact that he was a judge who ruled in favor of Johnny Boudreaux against Scott Ledoux. He did not judge many fights according to boxrec [althouh it is surely incomplete], but he was a part of two famous bad decisions;

[Dragon-Wolf]

What? No other takers?.....

Ciao,
John

[professordp]

Originally Posted by Dragon-Wolf

What? No other takers?.....

Ciao,
John

With such limited information on judges--sometimes you don't even get their names--I created a stock of fictional judges that have biases for hometown, champion, boxing style, etc. I created a dice driven random chart to factor them in.

One of the problems with hometown judges is that they're hometown persons!!! What I mean is that they are typically locals you've never heard of before and most likely will never hear of again.

Call me lazy, but to do all that research on actual judges is not worth my effort when I can get the same effect with fictional/created judges.

Also, as you know, when you do use real life judges in TBCB, there's often different scoring totals in a decision, despite the fact that they are listed as bias free.

[bear]

Originally Posted by Dragon-Wolf

Has anyone here ever rated any of the judges for bias'?

If so, which judges and what were their bias'?

Ciao,
John

The Beta-testers looked at judge bias and activity before the release of 2.5. A spread-sheet examining judge traits was created by Will (Thunder) and made availble to the beta test team for imput. I know that in the case of "active" judges inclusion of a judge was based upon their documentable activity and some suggested inclusions were ommited because they didn't have enough recent activity to be considered active.

Anyone wishing to take the time to go into things further is more than welcome to start a new mods thread to add more judges is welcome to do so. New contributions to the "Mods" trheads are always welcome.

bear

[Mad Bomber]

Originally Posted by Shaft081

Harold Valan is biased towards hometown fighters in my unierse based on this


Chuck Wepner vs. Ernie Terrell - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

and the fact that he was a judge who ruled in favor of Johnny Boudreaux against Scott Ledoux. He did not judge many fights according to boxrec [althouh it is surely incomplete], but he was a part of two famous bad decisions;

Make that three, as he was the referee, and sole judge in the highly questionable Jimmy Ellis vs Floyd Patterson fight in which if I recall correctly Ellis was knocked down, and also had his nose broken by Floyd, and somehow emerged victorious.


Greg

[David Ball]

Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

Make that three, as he was the referee, and sole judge in the highly questionable Jimmy Ellis vs Floyd Patterson fight in which if I recall correctly Ellis was knocked down, and also had his nose broken by Floyd, and somehow emerged victorious.


Greg

Nevertheless, Harold Varlan is another member of the Boxing Hall of Fame of the great Jersey Free State.


HAROLD VALAN


According to something else I read, when Patterson became chairman of the NY State Athletic Commission, Varlan was afraid he would never work again. But Patterson was not one to hold a grudge, and he went on using Varlan on a regular basis.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally Posted by David Ball

Nevertheless, Harold Varlan is another member of the Boxing Hall of Fame of the great Jersey Free State.


HAROLD VALAN


According to something else I read, when Patterson became chairman of the NY State Athletic Commission, Varlan was afraid he would never work again. But Patterson was not one to hold a grudge, and he went on using Varlan on a regular basis.

Harold was a good ref for the most part, and also worked the second Foreman - Frazier fight at The Nassau County Coliseum. I have bookmarked the NJ Boxing Hall of Fame as well as many others in doing my research for both adding trainers & cut men to the game, and also gaining more info to make the game more realistic from the standpoint of having the right trainers & cut men with the proper fighters for those who are interested.

Greg

[bear]

bump

[bear]

Working on my Hall of Fame Universe. Created some referee and judge files.
I'll post them here rather than create a new thread.

bear

[bear]

Nathaniel S. Fleischer
ref 1939-1946 7 bouts
judge 1940-1966
Global ID 401941
Nationality: US American
Born: 1887-11-03
Birthplace: New York, New York, USA
Died: June 25, 1972
"Mr. Boxing"
WAIL! | The CBZ Journal | July 2006
Nat boxed as an amateur out of the Oregon Athletic Club.
He was a 122-pound amateur and a stable mate of Leech Cross, who would later become a top lightweight contender.
Although he was only 5 2"
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 5 fouls strict stoppage late
Judge bias 1 No bias 2 No High 97 Even 0 Low 3

[bear]

Rudy Jordan
ref 1968-1993 146 bouts 46 TKOs 1 DQ
judge 1967-1997 130 bouts
Global ID 401657
nationality United States
residence California, United States
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 10 fouls leniant stoppage early
judge bias 1 No bias 2 No High 87 Even 6 Low 7

[bear]

George Latka
ref 1954-1977 207 bouts 80 TKOs 0 DQ
judge 1954-1978 170 bouts
Global ID 402949
Alias: Professor
Born: 1914-11-12
Birthplace: Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA
Died: 2007-12-26 (Age:93)
Nationality: US American
Hometown: San Jose, California, USA
Height: 5' 6½" / 169cm
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 10 fouls leniant stoppage early
judge bias 1 No bias 2 No High 85 Even 6 Low 9

[bear]

Joey Olmos
ref 1959-1969 59 bouts 22 TKOs
judge 9158-1975 92 bouts
Global ID 404332
Nationality: US American
Residence: California, USA
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 10 fouls normal stoppage early
judge bias 1 No bias 2 No High 85 Even 5 Low 10

[bear]

Professor Joseph B. Stone
born Carstairs, Alberta, Canada 1914-04-19
died 2001-10-05 Bellingham, WA
boxed as amateur 1930-1934, 84-6 at 130 lbs
9-2 as pro in Hawaii, managed by George Blake
taught boxing at Loyola Marymount and in the US Navy
ref 1942-1954
screenwriter for Operation Petticoat
Professor at Loyola Marymount
WBHOF inductee as a referee, also boxed
referee 1943-1954 122 bouts 49TKOs 0 DQ
judge 1945-1954 79 bouts
Global ID 404677
nationality United States
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 10 fouls normal stoppage early
judge bias 1 No bias 2 No High 94 Even 1 Low 5

[bear]

John B. Thomas
referee for 36 years beginning in 1954
ref 1954-1990 269 bouts 91 TKOs
Global ID 401205
nationality United States
residence California, United States
Referee US retired Judgement 10 fouls normal stoppage early

[bear]

George Blake
ref 1910-1940 96 bouts 29 TKOs 1 DQ
judge 1941-1942 3 bouts
Global ID 401272
Nationality: US American
Birthplace: Chicago, Illinois, USA
Born:: 1881-01-06
Died:: 1952-12-20 (Los Angeles, CA)
George Blake - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 10 fouls strict stoppage late
judge not enough to guess on given ony 3 bouts

[bear]

Lew Eskin (Lewis Leo Eskin)
ref 1966-1987 17 bouts 7 tko 1 dq
judge 1968-1982 4 bouts
Global ID 402157
nationality United States
from Elizabeth, NJ
home Wantage, NJ
began refereeing in 1946
licensed in New York as ref in 1974
testified in hearing about not stopping Willie Classen's fatal bout
6 month suspension given by commission
editor Boxing Illustrated
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 10 fouls normal stoppage normal
judge not enough to guess on given ony 4 bouts

[bear]

Benny Leonard
HOF boxer as a referee
ref 1927-1947 36 bouts 6 TKOs 1DQ 1NC
Global ID 401065
nationality United States
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 15 fouls strict stoppage late

[bear]

Jack Dempsey
HOF boxer
ref 1920-1959 234 bouts 42 TKOs 2 DQs 2 NCs
Global ID 401054
alias Manassa Mauler
nationality United States
birth place Manassa, CO, USA
birth name William Harrison Dempsey
ratings
Referee US retired Judgement 20 fouls normal stoppage late