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09-21-2013, 06:26 PM | #41 |
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ooh the internet tough guys are out in force. Maybe a bench clearing brawl can break out so this can be a "manly" thread.
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09-21-2013, 09:53 PM | #42 |
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So, if you're cool with less fighting, you don't need to adjust anything? I want penalties for slashing and hooking and stuff, I just think fighting is overrated, bland and staged. If two guys fight because they are genuinely pissed at each other that's one thing, but often these guys will sort of look at each other, shrug and drop the gloves.
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I’m not sure what the friction is all about here, in reality fighting IS part of the NHL, and so it’s important for the developers to make sure it’s as valued in FHM just as much as it is by the real life coaches. Whether you like fighting in the NHL or not is irrelevant, realism is what’s important here, and it’s good that the issue has been brought up.
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I've checked back on the forums a number of times to see if this is being addressed. At first, the development team made it pretty clear that fighting isn't a priority at all...they neglected it, and now there's some backlash as the players are demanding realism in their sims. So now they appear to be addressing it at least a little bit.
But in my opinion it still looks like there's a LONG way to go. For now, I'll stick with Action PC hockey (which is doing an AWESOME job with the fights, having added brawls and goalie fights with the last 2 releases, and much more realistic results overall) and APBA, which is free and has available all seasons from 1917 to present. But, I haven't given up...in an ideal world I'd love to see a total hockey sim like this with a career mode AND realistic fights/penalties. I'll continue to check back from time to time.
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10:01TOR J. Devane Fighting - 5 min against C. Tropp
10:01BUF C. Tropp Fighting - 5 min against J. Devane 10:01TOR A. MacWilliam Fighting - 5 min against M. Zigomanis 10:01TOR T. Bozak Fighting - 5 min against C. Ruhwedel 10:01TOR J. Bernier Fighting - 5 min against R. Miller 10:01TOR T. Brennan Fighting - 5 min against D. Bagnall 10:01BUF B. Flynn Fighting - 5 min against C. Ashton 10:01BUF M. Zigomanis Fighting - 5 min against A. MacWilliam 10:01BUF C. Ruhwedel Fighting - 5 min against T. Bozak 10:01BUF J. Scott Fighting - 5 min against D. Clarkson 10:01BUF R. Miller Fighting - 5 min against J. Bernier 10:01TOR D. Clarkson Leaving player's/penalty bench - 10 min 10:01BUF D. Bagnall Fighting - 5 min against T. Brennan 10:01TOR C. Ashton Fighting - 5 min against D. Bagnall 10:01BUF J. Scott served by M. Grigorenko Instigator - 2 min against P. Kessel 10:01TOR J. Bernier Goalie leave crease - 2 min against R. Miller 10:01BUF R. Miller Goalie leave crease - 2 min 10:01BUF J. Scott Misconduct - 10 min 10:01BUF J. Scott Game misconduct - 10 min against P. Kessel 10:01TOR C. Ashton Misconduct - 10 min 10:01TOR T. Bozak Misconduct - 10 min 10:01TOR T. Brennan Misconduct - 10 min 10:01TOR A. MacWilliam Misconduct - 10 min 10:01TOR J. Bernier Game misconduct - 10 min 10:01TOR D. Clarkson Leaving player's/penalty bench - 10 min 10:01BUF D. Bagnall Misconduct - 10 min 10:01BUF M. Zigomanis Misconduct - 10 min 10:01BUF B. Flynn Misconduct - 10 min 10:01BUF R. Miller Game misconduct - 10 min against J. Bernier 10:01BUF C. Ruhwedel Misconduct - 10 min 10:01TOR P. Kessel Match penalty - 10 min against J. Scott Maybe fights dont belong in NHL :-) Good damn i want this kind of things in FHM. This was once in a week thing in 70's and 80's. |
09-23-2013, 12:48 AM | #47 |
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Fn right man freaking awesome game. This should be implemented in the asap. Brawl should be part of the game. Yeah fighting is nit part of the game. If you dont think so then you are not a real hockey fan!
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09-23-2013, 08:22 AM | #48 |
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Even though I'd like to see line brawls and goalie fights added to the game I will be happy when I see some enforcers actually playing in the NHL in this game and FM totals being realistic (if not more so)
Shawn Thornton having 1FM in 52GP? I know he's not the most aggressive enforcer out there, but he's not even fighting the Kaleta/Ott's in the league which he should be considering the lack of actual enforcers. Playing EHM07 most teams would dress an enforcer, most of the time and I would dress a very tough lineup that would probably average 1.5-2FM/game. Most of the fun I had with that game was with the enforcers/pests. |
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Same reason they break out in other sports as well. Competitive fires sometimes break out. Human nature. Hockey (love it as I do) doesn't have a special market or connection to "fighting", other than to permit it on some kind of "honorable grounds". People fight, in all sports. It's human nature.
Other physical sports don't allow it (NFL, rugby). There's really no honest justification for it in hockey other than it was a way to appeal to people who don't want to take the time to learn about the actual game. The bottom line is people act as bad as you allow them. Buffalo/Toronto last night is a classic example of that. Just a stupid fight that meant nothing. If anyone thinks that adds any credibility or ANYTHING AT ALL to the sport of hockey, they're delusional. Last edited by scuffleball; 09-23-2013 at 09:10 AM. |
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b) Isn't the point you make exactly the connection? Fighting in hockey is seen as perfectly fine when emotions boil over or as a measure to take revenge of some sorts. In that way hockey is "connected" to fighting WAY more than any other sport (expect boxing, marshall arts etc., of course). It is condoned, even if game misconducts are handed out in a lot of leagues. Btw, European leagues haven been less strict about fighting in recent years. For example, there's only majors in the KHL and 2+2+10 in Germany. Quote:
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The argument I often hear is that without fighting, stick work would increase. I will agree with that. However, I would counter that if you make the punishment strict enough for doing so, the players will be CONDITIONED not to do it. They can be conditioned to look to the officials to exact punishment and judgement. That's not the culture now, and that's why there is fighting, plain and simple. Quote:
IMHO, fighting in hockey is not required, it is tolerated and even condoned because it gives the sport an image of being tough and physical. The belief that players are on skates and can't get great leverage when punching is becoming moot, as players are stronger and more physical now. Injuries from fighting will only increase. To me allowing fighting belies an inherent lack of faith in the appeal of actual hockey by those in charge. The game is amazing on its own. Players can be tough without fighting or having to have another, generally less skilled player fight another often un-involved player for them. With a few simple and strong rules, fighting for the sake of fighting could be removed from the sport. Punish the blatant rough stuff severely. Punish stick work severely. Let the players know it won't be tolerated and it will go away. Now the question to that is - will anyone care for hockey any more if there's no fighting? That's the fear at the NHL level, make no mistake. But there will still be spontaneous fights, just like in other sports. It will always happen, as it happens in other sports (baseball, basketball, etc.). My position is that there is no need to allow it by rule. Ban it, protect the players with stiff penalties for stick work and rough stuff after the whistle, etc. A player should be allowed to check an opponent cleanly without having to worry that he'll have to "answer" for it through the season. That's ridiculous. Hockey is a physical sport. In the Sabres/Leafs example, Scott probably wouldn't even be in the NHL if fighting wasn't allowed. But the NHL culture now allows him to be there, and things like last night will continue to happen until it's banned and stiffly penalized. |
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We can all agree to disagree. I won't even bother to write an essay on how hockey fights are a major part of hockey let alone the ability of the players to govern themselves just as they have through out the history of the sport.
Guys like scufflefeathers above me can write a whole F&^kin page of his philosophy on himself and how others view the more physical side of the sport and people like me can write on how it's an integral and crucial part of the game Where is it gonna go ? 15 pages of absolute flamming! I ruffled some feathers but truth be told everyone has they'er own opinion to the sport and thats what makes hockey special and above everything else! Here's a challenge ... I'd like to call out these developers from hiding behind they're curtain and mabey get they're a^^'s involved with the community and shed some light here and there on all these topics besides an update once every two or three weeks, we obviously have alot of people from all walks of lives. Myself I work in the oilfield for 12-15 hours a day and still have time to post at the very least here and there... whats they'e excuse ?? Last edited by Rob316; 09-23-2013 at 04:42 PM. |
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