Do you think this is a fair/balanced trade?

[PSUColonel]

Anyone want to analyze this one?

[TheMaus2]

I think that the advantage goes to Miami, but it's pretty fair.

[Lukas Berger]

Seems pretty fair to me!

[ThePretender]

It's hard to compare them without ratings, or with the stats you've provided. I can see how good offensively these players are (to a degree), but I don't know if someone is overachieving/underachieving, or what their defensive ratings are. Also it's tricky to compare raw offensive numbers when Yelich plays in a tough park to hit in and Philly plays in a hitter's park. So I'd want wRC+ and UZR as well if I'm looking at stats to compare these players.

I also don't know how long each player is signed, and the contract values.

My gut feeling is Yelich is far more valuable than what was given, but I can't confirm that without knowing all the information.

[Tyler87898]

Yeah, I agree with the guy above that we need more information (ratings, etc). But knowing how Yelich is in real life and how he has played out in my OOTP games, he's probably worth a bit more than that.

[NoOne]

not super familiar at moment with real playesr, but i remember yelich being one of the overrated (relative to resutls vs overall).

i'd defintieyl pull the trigger on that if i am getting the 4 players. as long as there is flip value or they are needed.

if all those guys you are shipping out have a better replacement, then it's a net positive, because you can only play 9 at a time... but a less likely context.

looks like a stong lead-off guy and 1-2 other serviceable bats for sure.

unless there's some bigger plan, i wouldn't do this if you are phillie.

[ThePretender]

From my experience Yelich is a stud, and on a bargain contract so he's one of the more valuable players in the league.

[PSUColonel]

Well, Hernendez and Joseph really “overachieved”. And Yellich underachieved....this is why I asked.

I used 55/25/15/5 as the AI evaluation, and trading settings were normal.

Basically I traded a bunch of average for layers for a plus to plus-plus player (according to scouting reports...although Hernandez is plus in both contact and eye, he’s also a plus defender, so he’s likely an above average player.

[PSUColonel]

i’ll Post screen shots when I can

[PSUColonel]

OK, Philadelphia gets:

[PSUColonel]

Miami Gets:

[PSUColonel]

My initial thought, was that this was a fair trial, but then I started thinking hmmm...I used 55/25/15/5 instead of the default 65/20/10/5.....and wonder if what looks like overachievement vs underachievment played a fair role in this trade.

Of course I have scouting on, which is why I altered the AI evaluation settings to start with.

Here are the major contracts involved:

[Marsupilami]

lets put it this way. i wouldnt trade yelich for those scrubs

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Marsupilami

lets put it this way. i wouldnt trade yelich for those scrubs

I wouldn't call them scrubs, but I wouldn't call them All-Stars either.

They have good numbers (like I said, they may have overachieved)

Moral of the story: (perhaps)

I think the trading difficulty on average isn't bad, as long as you have enough AI emphasis on ratings (65/20/10/5)....but if you choose to go more stats oriented (55/25/15/5) you may need to up the difficulty to hard.


The problem with using hard, is that often the AI becomes unreasonable. The problem with average, might be deals such as this.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I wouldn't call them scrubs, but I would call them All-Stars either.

They have good numbers (like I said, they may have overachieved)

Moral of the story: (perhaps)

I think the trading difficulty on average isn't bad, as long as you have enough AI emphasis on ratings (65/20/10/5)....but if you choose to go more stats oriented (55/25/15/5) you may need to up the difficulty to hard.


The problem with using hard, is that often the AI becomes unreasonable. The problem with average, might be deals such as this.

Unreasonable is a far better spot. To be actually fair the human must pay a little more in order to make up for the built in advantage of being human.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by RchW

Unreasonable is a far better spot. To be actually fair the human must pay a little more in order to make up for the built in advantage of being human.

Probably true. I'd love to see the defaults change to somewhere between Average and Hard, along with a shift in AI evaluation to 55/25/15/5.

After years of fooling around with this stuff (and yes, Markus & Co have improved things immensely over the years too) I currently feel this is the "sweet spot".



EDIT: I still wonder sometimes if a limit to 3 or 4 players per side would be a good thing or not. Believe it or not, in this case, Gowdy, the pitcher was the difference between the deal going through or not. He's the most worthless player in the entire trade.

[ThePretender]

Thanks for posting the screenshots. I'd agree it's a pretty unfair trade, and Philly comes out ahead.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by ThePretender

Thanks for posting the screenshots. I'd agree it's a pretty unfair trade, and Philly comes out ahead.

the funny part, is this trade was done using Average settings

[PSUColonel]

Herrera had a stellar season defensively, and was a top 5 CF

[Benchmark]

If you are looking for a Real Life scenario, Miami is looking for someones 2 Top Prospects (Top 100) and 3 good prospects for Yelich alone. If you are keeping it real, then that would be the pain it causes you to get him. Not the stuff you are offering.