Minnesota Twins Farm System Question

jumpin_james · 04-04-2020, 08:36 AM

This is specific to the Twins farm system but maybe someone else knows the answer.

The lower end of the farm system is confusing. There appear to be multiple Rookie level leagues and I can't figure out the hierarchy of them. I will put them below in the order they appear in the game with their descriptors in parentheses.

Twins (MLB)
Rochester Red Wings (AAA)
Pensacola Blue Wahoos (AA)
Fort Myers Mighty Mussels (A+)
Cedar Rapids Kernals (A)
Minn. DSL (Dominican Rookie League, R)
Elizabethton Twins (Appalachian League, R)
Minnesota GCL (Gulf Coast League, R)

I don't understand how I should be promoting within the last three leagues. Are they all equal? Is there a true Hierarchy? Any clarification would be helpful as I don't want to screw up the development of players. Thanks in advance.

jimmysthebestcop · 04-04-2020, 09:08 AM

Dominican is for international players only not draft picks.

The Appalachian league is the higher of the domestic rookie leagues. The gulf coast league their no tickets and all the games happen at the mlb spring training grounds.

jumpin_james · 04-04-2020, 09:39 AM

So...for the GCL. Should I not have any players there after spring training?

Also, is there something built into the AI that prevents me from moving players to the Dominican League? It doesn't appear so. So I guess my follow up question to that would be, does moving a non-international player to the Dominican League have an adverse affect on their development?

Are all the farm systems like this? Seems odd.

SirMichaelJordan · 04-04-2020, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jumpin_james

So...for the GCL. Should I not have any players there after spring training?

Also, is there something built into the AI that prevents me from moving players to the Dominican League? It doesn't appear so. So I guess my follow up question to that would be, does moving a non-international player to the Dominican League have an adverse affect on their development?

Are all the farm systems like this? Seems odd.

Yes you would want to set up service time rules for your minors and place a no foreigner rule for the Dominican league. For the Dominican league, be sure to switch the region to DSL so that all foreigners are eligible to play in the league except Americans.

Arizona and Gulf coast league are pretty much for your HS prospects and any low level players who are eligible to play in the leagues.

pioneer & app league is your advance rookie league. All your top young eligible players play here.

Short season leagues are mostly for you recently drafted college players

A ball is usually configured of top young eligible prospects. Most of your top recently drafted college players start here.

A+ or advance A is all of your top prospect who are not quite ready for AA ball

jumpin_james · 04-04-2020, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Yes you would want to set up service time rules for your minors and place a no foreigner rule for the Dominican league. For the Dominican league, be sure to switch the region to DSL so that all foreigners are eligible to play in the league except Americans.

Where are the options to do these things? Sorry for the many questions. Total noob here.

SirMichaelJordan · 04-04-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jumpin_james

Where are the options to do these things? Sorry for the many questions. Total noob here.

League options > League settings > League teams

Here you can change the region of the DSL

(There is a drop down menu on the right side of the screen where you can change to different leagues)

League options > League settings > Rules

Is where you can set each league rules.

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jumpin_james · 04-04-2020, 10:32 AM

Thank you for all of the info. Much appreciated!

qcbandits · 04-04-2020, 11:03 AM

College players in say the top 8 -10 rounds, try them at Elizabethton
maybe a top 2 round HS kid

all other HS kids and the rest of your college picks to the GCL
DSL is only for international amateur FAs and finds your scout makes

DSL Guys that perform well, promote to the GCL

anyone that was with the GCL team the previous year and did good, goes to Elizabethton

Cedar Rapids is the next step from Elizabethton and also possibly a well developed stud draftee

after some success at Cedar rapids, promote to Fort Myers

So, simply put, the Hierarchy is
Rochester
Pensacola
Fort Myers
Cedar rapids
Elizabethton
GCL
DSL
INternational complex

the International complex is where your latin guys will show up first. I usually let them stay there for a season.

YanksFan · 04-04-2020, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Yes you would want to set up service time rules for your minors and place a no foreigner rule for the Dominican league. For the Dominican league, be sure to switch the region to DSL so that all foreigners are eligible to play in the league except Americans

Can you give some suggestions for service time rules for each level?

ederemer · 04-04-2020, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by YanksFan

Can you give some suggestions for service time rules for each level?

I usually go:

DSL - 4 years
AZL/GCL - 3 years
Advanced R/Short Season (A-) - 4 years
Class A - 5 years
Class A+ - 6 years
Class AA/AAA - no limit

qcbandits · 04-04-2020, 11:36 AM

https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3562

A nice explanation on the service time and roster limits

Leo_The_Lip · 04-04-2020, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jumpin_james

So...for the GCL. Should I not have any players there after spring training?

Also, is there something built into the AI that prevents me from moving players to the Dominican League? It doesn't appear so. So I guess my follow up question to that would be, does moving a non-international player to the Dominican League have an adverse affect on their development?

Are all the farm systems like this? Seems odd.

Yes. The AI won't let you move draft picks there. I often forget what I doing and try to move a draft pick there and the AI won't let me.

Biggio509 · 04-04-2020, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jumpin_james

So...for the GCL. Should I not have any players there after spring training?

You don't have to but I generally keep players there. It depends on the number of draft rounds. If you only have 25 you will need at least 10 players stay in rookie or move 10 players up from international to get to the 35 most teams have in their rookies (real world limit but I keep it unlimited so it doesn't screw up the AI).

The reason I keep all the players I can there is for injuries. I run my minors so I have a reserve to fill injuries from opening day until the draft picks are signed. Depending on your injury settings that could be a lot.

I don't usually play with DSL but if I do that is where the international players below 17 or 18 go. The rest depends on what team I am.

I play it where the advanced and/or short A gets the better players while the rookie is scrubs I will replace in the draft if they don't get promoted due to injuries. Sometimes a rookie league has some real prospects sit because they aren't ready for short A if I have short A and rookie. Some teams have 3 rookie league teams. There isn't conformity in short A, AR, and R teams per a club. I think the Rockies just have an AR and Short A, the Yankees have 3 rookie clubs. So all teams are a bit different on the bottom end. If you have 2 AZL or 2 GCL clubs, I still put the prospects on one at the end of the year and leave the other for scrubs who are injury fodder or will be cut in the draft.

Biggio509 · 04-04-2020, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ederemer

I usually go:

DSL - 4 years
AZL/GCL - 3 years
Advanced R/Short Season (A-) - 4 years
Class A - 5 years
Class A+ - 6 years
Class AA/AAA - no limit

Those are the real world limits.
Generally I use that and roster limits.

25 or 26 now for A to AA. No limits on AAA. 30 limit on short A. No limit on rookie but I impose a 35 limit on myself.

Not sure if you still need two levels with no limits but in the past if you didn't it would cause the AI to move players erratically and sometimes cut real prospects. This allows the AI to use AAA to store players who have hit service time limits and AR/R for teams to store players who haven't but don't have room at a higher level. I set no limits for AR because at least one team AR is the lowest level for.

itsmb8 · 04-05-2020, 01:16 AM

Do we have active and reserve roster sizes in minor leagues in OOTP21?

jimmysthebestcop · 04-05-2020, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by itsmb8

Do we have active and reserve roster sizes in minor leagues in OOTP21?

No we do not. I usually split the difference at 30.Going from 35 at A+ to 25 at AA kind of a pain.

So for A+, A, I go with 30. Humans can just go 25 but I felt it was better for AI to leave it at 30.

That way its rookie balls at 35 then progresses to 30 then to 25/26.

You can always use this a guide
https://www.milb.com/about/faqs-business#19

04-04-2020, 09:39 AM	#3
jumpin_james Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 72	So...for the GCL. Should I not have any players there after spring training? Also, is there something built into the AI that prevents me from moving players to the Dominican League? It doesn't appear so. So I guess my follow up question to that would be, does moving a non-international player to the Dominican League have an adverse affect on their development? Are all the farm systems like this? Seems odd. __________________

04-04-2020, 10:32 AM	#7
jumpin_james Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 72	Thank you for all of the info. Much appreciated! __________________

04-04-2020, 08:36 AM	#1
jumpin_james Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 72	Minnesota Twins Farm System Question This is specific to the Twins farm system but maybe someone else knows the answer. The lower end of the farm system is confusing. There appear to be multiple Rookie level leagues and I can't figure out the hierarchy of them. I will put them below in the order they appear in the game with their descriptors in parentheses. Twins (MLB) Rochester Red Wings (AAA) Pensacola Blue Wahoos (AA) Fort Myers Mighty Mussels (A+) Cedar Rapids Kernals (A) Minn. DSL (Dominican Rookie League, R) Elizabethton Twins (Appalachian League, R) Minnesota GCL (Gulf Coast League, R) I don't understand how I should be promoting within the last three leagues. Are they all equal? Is there a true Hierarchy? Any clarification would be helpful as I don't want to screw up the development of players. Thanks in advance. __________________ Last edited by jumpin_james; 04-04-2020 at 08:38 AM.

04-04-2020, 09:08 AM	#2
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,728 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Dominican is for international players only not draft picks. The Appalachian league is the higher of the domestic rookie leagues. The gulf coast league their no tickets and all the games happen at the mlb spring training grounds.

04-04-2020, 11:03 AM	#8
qcbandits Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,441 Infractions: 0/4 (4)	College players in say the top 8 -10 rounds, try them at Elizabethton maybe a top 2 round HS kid all other HS kids and the rest of your college picks to the GCL DSL is only for international amateur FAs and finds your scout makes DSL Guys that perform well, promote to the GCL anyone that was with the GCL team the previous year and did good, goes to Elizabethton Cedar Rapids is the next step from Elizabethton and also possibly a well developed stud draftee after some success at Cedar rapids, promote to Fort Myers So, simply put, the Hierarchy is Rochester Pensacola Fort Myers Cedar rapids Elizabethton GCL DSL INternational complex the International complex is where your latin guys will show up first. I usually let them stay there for a season.

04-04-2020, 11:36 AM	#11
qcbandits Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,441 Infractions: 0/4 (4)	https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3562 A nice explanation on the service time and roster limits

04-05-2020, 01:16 AM	#15
itsmb8 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,322	Do we have active and reserve roster sizes in minor leagues in OOTP21?