Is there an end point?

mrbadguy · 12-18-2019, 07:34 PM

In my years of playing OOTPB I usually start a new franchise before I (manager/Gm) gets too old or I need a change, so haver rarely gone past 20 years.

In my current Franchise I am now 74 and unemployed. Just waiting on my last players to make (or not) the HOF.

Does the game make you retire at some point or can you be manager/Gm for "ever". Its still saying for me to get a job.

Basically does age matter in regards to you (as Manager or Gm)?

CBeisbol · 12-18-2019, 07:59 PM

I have no idea

Now I'm curious if you ever die

24Rocks · 12-18-2019, 11:35 PM

you can Retire your manager, I don't think the game will do it for you but honestly IDK if you will die tho.

Palaaemon · 12-19-2019, 12:00 AM

You don't die. The game will not force retire you. So unless you do it, you will continue to be active (and age) in your league/world until you retire the league, it corrupts or some such.

Have a Great night!

Palaaemon

Déjà Bru · 12-19-2019, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Palaaemon

You don't die. The game will not force retire you. So unless you do it, you will continue to be active (and age) in your league/world until you retire the league, it corrupts or some such.

The bolded alternative is a fate worse than death!

TheHistoricalGamer · 12-19-2019, 02:17 AM

This makes me wonder... what's the furthest anyone's ever played into the future?

eriqjaffe · 12-19-2019, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 24Rocks

IDK if you will die tho.

With the exception of owners, nobody dies in OOTP.

RchW · 12-19-2019, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHistoricalGamer

This makes me wonder... what's the furthest anyone's ever played into the future?

I'm quite sure several centuries ie 200+ years have been posted in these forums.

ezpkns34 · 12-19-2019, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

With the exception of owners, nobody dies in OOTP.

that moment when you realize that OOTP is just a baseball veneer slapped over a vampire role playing game

CBeisbol · 12-19-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

With the exception of owners, nobody dies in OOTP.

Not even the players?

old fat bald guy · 12-19-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ezpkns34

that moment when you realize that OOTP is just a baseball veneer slapped over a vampire role playing game

I had that thought the first time I read an OOTP manual, laughed out loud and named my manager character in the game Barney Collins (it's short for Barnabas).

As for CBeisbol's question about players dying, a guy in one of my saves suffered a fractured skull and his career was declared over the day after it happened. I thought that was a little creepy.

Jerry Helper · 12-19-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Not even the players?

It’s weird that would be the case. I don’t know what would be wrong with playing a 20 plus year league and having a former player pass away and have a news flash about it?

cavebutter · 12-19-2019, 03:38 PM

Players absolutely do not die in the game. Only owners.

Argonaut · 12-19-2019, 04:17 PM

Yeah, players live forever. I just loaded up a game and unretired a 124 year old Babe Ruth. Heck, he still has a 40 rating in RF. Stick his corpse out there with a glove on it and he'll catch a few balls. And he'd still probably hit better than Chris Davis.

This makes me think what about player-owners? Too bad Derek Jeter isn't listed as the Marlins owner. If he was, he could die in game as an owner, and then you could unretire his player ID afterwards. The ghost of Jeter playing.. very spooky.

Syd Thrift · 12-19-2019, 04:54 PM

There are definitely leagues that have simulated a couple hundred years into the future and if you really wanted to you could start as early as 1800. Ballplayers never die in large part because once they've retired they're kind of dead in baseball terms anyway. Managers retire as well, and IRL they generally don't do that job until they're dead either. There are plenty of guys, from Tony LaRussa to Jim Leyland to Bobby Cox, who might be able to do most of the job if they really had to but who just aren't going to be able to tell athletic 25 year olds to hustle, and who nobody wants to see wearing a baseball uniform.

I feel like the game mostly avoids the sadder aspects of the game when it can so I appreciate the decision not to have a death mechanic...

24Rocks · 12-19-2019, 07:44 PM

I am so glad the game doesn't have Death as a injury or even after, ya it might be a cool news story but its just common sense that you know players have passed on but you could always ask for it to be a news story.

I have a league where the oldest active coach was born in 2045 league is 135 years old, stopped play since OOTP18 to start new Universe no idea how far I would be by now.

BirdWatcher · 12-19-2019, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

It’s weird that would be the case. I don’t know what would be wrong with playing a 20 plus year league and having a former player pass away and have a news flash about it?

Former players do pass away in my WPK fictional league. Of course, any news story about this has to be created by me as the game doesn't know they've passed away. But I have an entire analog process for making this happen.

fredbeene · 12-20-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHistoricalGamer

This makes me wonder... what's the furthest anyone's ever played into the future?

If you are doing a historic simulation and keep playing, wouldn't you run out of players or end up with just ghost players

Syd Thrift · 12-20-2019, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

If you are doing a historic simulation and keep playing, wouldn't you run out of players or end up with just ghost players

After the current year, any new players are fictional. Personally I play with only fictional players in the first place (I do a fictional/historical hybrid where the teams and leagues are the real ones, more or less*) and I can say first hand that there are some really, really good reasons to not use historical players at all...

*One of my sims is in the 20s and I only go down to B levels in the minors. Also, the leagues are already integrated so there’s no Negro Leagues either. I also find that the game doesn’t really generate random players who are heads and shoulders above everyone else so I also like to manually create comps for inner circle Hall of Famers (Lou Gehrig and Charlie Gehringer in last year’s sim), special outliers (Hack Wilson), and players who help to wreck the natural competitive balance that the game institutes in those years (the Yankees signed Earl Combs from a small minor league affiliate and so even though the game does generate players of his caliber relative to the league, the Yankees aren’t dominant enough yet). Otherwise, I even use baseball reference’s transaction logs to approximate the trades, purchases, and waiver claims in my league.

Reed · 12-21-2019, 07:04 AM

If you are playing historical and do not click, players retire as in history, then they can play forever I think. I know in a test league I did I forgot to click it and fast sim 50 years and hade 70 year old players still playing. I should have fast skimmed a couple hundred years and then check. Basically player were taking their last real ratings and that was just repeating every year for them. Disable player development was clicked also.

12-18-2019, 07:34 PM	#1
mrbadguy Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 247	Is there an end point? In my years of playing OOTPB I usually start a new franchise before I (manager/Gm) gets too old or I need a change, so haver rarely gone past 20 years. In my current Franchise I am now 74 and unemployed. Just waiting on my last players to make (or not) the HOF. Does the game make you retire at some point or can you be manager/Gm for "ever". Its still saying for me to get a job. Basically does age matter in regards to you (as Manager or Gm)?

12-18-2019, 11:35 PM	#3
24Rocks All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scarborough, Ontario, Canada Posts: 798	you can Retire your manager, I don't think the game will do it for you but honestly IDK if you will die tho. Attached Images __________________ Jonny AFBL:Ontario Blue Pirates (2013-2055) 3177-3255(.494) Wild Card:8 Division Titles: 8 Pennants: 2020, 2049, 2051 2051 CHAMPS Former leagues: LOHO: Detroit Tigers ISL: San Diego Padres VSL: Pittsburgh Pirates NPBL: Ohio Raptors/Nova Scotia Fishermen Check you my YOUTUBE or TWITCH

12-19-2019, 12:00 AM	#4
Palaaemon Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 258	You don't die. The game will not force retire you. So unless you do it, you will continue to be active (and age) in your league/world until you retire the league, it corrupts or some such. Have a Great night! Palaaemon __________________ I don't have to run faster than the bear, just faster than you.

12-19-2019, 03:38 PM	#13
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,158	Players absolutely do not die in the game. Only owners. __________________ MySQL, MyStruggle - A self-indulgent blog about my attempts to roll my own MySQL Database with OOTP Logo Gallery

12-19-2019, 04:17 PM	#14
Argonaut All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,085	Yeah, players live forever. I just loaded up a game and unretired a 124 year old Babe Ruth. Heck, he still has a 40 rating in RF. Stick his corpse out there with a glove on it and he'll catch a few balls. And he'd still probably hit better than Chris Davis. This makes me think what about player-owners? Too bad Derek Jeter isn't listed as the Marlins owner. If he was, he could die in game as an owner, and then you could unretire his player ID afterwards. The ghost of Jeter playing.. very spooky. __________________ Texas Rangers Dynasty (Est. 1972) Hartford Whalers Dynasty: Brass Bonanza

12-18-2019, 07:59 PM	#2
CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	I have no idea Now I'm curious if you ever die

12-19-2019, 02:17 AM	#6
TheHistoricalGamer Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 4	This makes me wonder... what's the furthest anyone's ever played into the future?

12-19-2019, 07:44 PM	#16
24Rocks All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scarborough, Ontario, Canada Posts: 798	I am so glad the game doesn't have Death as a injury or even after, ya it might be a cool news story but its just common sense that you know players have passed on but you could always ask for it to be a news story. I have a league where the oldest active coach was born in 2045 league is 135 years old, stopped play since OOTP18 to start new Universe no idea how far I would be by now. __________________ Jonny AFBL:Ontario Blue Pirates (2013-2055) 3177-3255(.494) Wild Card:8 Division Titles: 8 Pennants: 2020, 2049, 2051 2051 CHAMPS Former leagues: LOHO: Detroit Tigers ISL: San Diego Padres VSL: Pittsburgh Pirates NPBL: Ohio Raptors/Nova Scotia Fishermen Check you my YOUTUBE or TWITCH

12-21-2019, 07:04 AM	#20
Reed All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,939	If you are playing historical and do not click, players retire as in history, then they can play forever I think. I know in a test league I did I forgot to click it and fast sim 50 years and hade 70 year old players still playing. I should have fast skimmed a couple hundred years and then check. Basically player were taking their last real ratings and that was just repeating every year for them. Disable player development was clicked also.