Injuries

JeffR · 03-03-2013, 04:11 AM

Any problems relating to duration, frequency, and description of injuries. RoPa is in charge of injury data and research.

RoPa · 03-03-2013, 12:56 PM

Franchise Hockey Manager Release Date is Tuesday, September 3, 2013.

We have 6 months until that date to Beta test, tweak, improve and nail down injuries for FHM.

The first Beta version of the injury file is still very much a work in progress.

Constructive feedback is very welcome.

RoPa (Robert)

steven21 · 03-04-2013, 09:16 PM

I have two players injured but when I right-click them and try to put them on the Injury List, the game says they are not injured.

RoPa · 03-04-2013, 10:06 PM

It looks to be the same bug as reported here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...om-injury.html

Sebastian is looking into the problem.

Daletiel · 03-04-2013, 11:56 PM

The game will prevent you from finishing the day with a pop-up saying you have an injured player in the lineup even if you've already placed him on IR and readjusted your lineups. The same also occurs in the reverse case, after having taken a player off of IR.

ilarcek · 03-06-2013, 12:20 AM

I have a good one to report.

Quote:

[212-443]Kimmo Timonen suffered cut ear today during team training. He will miss 12 months.

Skadhauge · 03-06-2013, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ilarcek

I have a good one to report.

At least he's coming back, Fedor Tyutin ended his career due to the same injury - Matt Hendricks they are not!

curtishale · 03-06-2013, 08:18 AM

Even when turning down the injuries to around 0.30, it still continues to be very high. Multiple players seem to get injured per day.

curtishale · 03-06-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skadhauge

At least he's coming back, Fedor Tyutin ended his career due to the same injury - Matt Hendricks they are not!

I had the same! Giroux!

CeeBee · 03-06-2013, 09:57 AM

The cut ear-career ending injury happened in my game in the pre-season to Ryan Suter.... poor Wild

RoPa · 03-06-2013, 03:15 PM

When you get a shot to the ear, that hurts!

Sebastian knows about the career ending cut ear injury and is checking it out.

Peter10 · 03-06-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by curtishale

Even when turning down the injuries to around 0.30, it still continues to be very high. Multiple players seem to get injured per day.

Same here. It also seems Dmen are more affected by this, I usually have around 3 of my top 6 on the IR.

Just checked the news sections. There are 238 injuries and i am just in early January. I started with the normal setting, turned it down to 0.9 after about 1 1/2 month and down to 0.35 a month later

JeffR · 03-06-2013, 11:24 PM

Yeah, I just looked at the injuries totals in a test game and they're definitely too high under default settings (Days Lost to Injury is actually tracked on the League Stats screen, in the last column, InD, of the Team Stats page - note that its calendar days, not games, lost.) Averaged 845 per year in the NHL, it should be in the mid-500s.

Those totals were actually pretty good for most of the pre-beta testing, but we adjusted them because there seemed to be too many short injuries and not enough longer ones, and that seems to have done something. And the ear thing probably isn't helping.

pens66 · 03-07-2013, 04:20 AM

While this discussion about injuries breaks out just like it did in the early days of EHM, I just want to point something out:

TSN.ca currently lists 125 NHL players as injured. That includes long-term guys and day-to-day cases (and, admittedly, maybe a handful of guys who are basically retired, i.e. Chris Pronger).

Taking a look at the numbers in FHM, however, I found in my current season: In mid december 71 guys injured, in mid january it's 91 (standard injury setting).

Now I come back to the EHM thing: We as players always feel cheated by a computer game if a player is injured, and then another, and then another. It was the exact same thing in EHM and Riz eventually toned down the injuries to an extent that was faaaaar from reality. Let's face it, injuries are a very common part of hockey and a team can rarely play the same lineup night in and night out without any changes. Guys are constantly getting injured.

I know we have the injury slider to set things how we like it in FHM, but I think that the number of injuries is about right at the moment. Only the length of injuries maybe needs a look at (maybe more short-term things?). And obviously the frequency of injury types needs some tweaking. There too many arm injuries at the moment, I think. And then there's the ear thing... ;-)

Laird19 · 03-07-2013, 08:38 AM

also having the same "phantom injury" issue. Right now i am stuck. 4 injuries, unable to move any of them to the injured list so i cannot call anyone up, yet am unable to advance because i do not have enough players to put in the lineup....

Edit: kinda figured out a temporary fix, if you click the "setup organization" button, it will move your injured players onto the injury list. just cant do it manually

batdad · 03-07-2013, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pens66

While this discussion about injuries breaks out just like it did in the early days of EHM, I just want to point something out:

TSN.ca currently lists 125 NHL players as injured. That includes long-term guys and day-to-day cases (and, admittedly, maybe a handful of guys who are basically retired, i.e. Chris Pronger).

Taking a look at the numbers in FHM, however, I found in my current season: In mid december 71 guys injured, in mid january it's 91 (standard injury setting).

Now I come back to the EHM thing: We as players always feel cheated by a computer game if a player is injured, and then another, and then another. It was the exact same thing in EHM and Riz eventually toned down the injuries to an extent that was faaaaar from reality. Let's face it, injuries are a very common part of hockey and a team can rarely play the same lineup night in and night out without any changes. Guys are constantly getting injured.

I know we have the injury slider to set things how we like it in FHM, but I think that the number of injuries is about right at the moment. Only the length of injuries maybe needs a look at (maybe more short-term things?). And obviously the frequency of injury types needs some tweaking. There too many arm injuries at the moment, I think. And then there's the ear thing... ;-)

This is a great post. Type of injury, frequency and duration could be the main issue. Also, this year in the shortened season I wonder if there is evidence to show more injuries than normal. Goalies from what I can tell for sure it is the case.

Please Jeff R....make sure we do not make injuries too low. They are a part of it and as Pens said...we end up with too few because guys get upset that there top 2 centres or 2 of top 6 are injured. I can name at least 3 teams in the NHL where two of top 10 players are injured right now. It happens. Look at Ottawa. Spezza, Michalek, Karlsson, Anderson...all out at the same time, and then Latendresse.

Flyers-Pronger, Meszaros, Hartnell, Read....
Hawks right now...Sharp, Hossa, Frolik, Shaw...

But career ending ear injuries...

RoPa · 03-07-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by batdad

But career ending ear injuries...

Yeah, that one is a beauty but it will be....cut!

Someone had a screenshot of the cut ear injury with Roberto Luongo's career ending after a collision with the boards.

Holden Caulfield · 03-07-2013, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoPa

Yeah, that one is a beauty but it will be....cut!

Someone had a screenshot of the cut ear injury with Roberto Luongo's career ending after a collision with the boards.

I had the same injury end the career of a player of mine in a KHL season...literally 2 days after I traded for him

Although I agree that it is important not too turn down injuries too much, they are a key part of the game. It is important to keep them at a realistic level, they have seemed fine to me so far.

shaken_bacon · 03-07-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RoPa

Yeah, that one is a beauty but it will be....cut!

Someone had a screenshot of the cut ear injury with Roberto Luongo's career ending after a collision with the boards.

Can we all agree, that at least it wasn't an arrow to the knee?

jayze302 · 03-07-2013, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laird19

also having the same "phantom injury" issue. Right now i am stuck. 4 injuries, unable to move any of them to the injured list so i cannot call anyone up, yet am unable to advance because i do not have enough players to put in the lineup....

Edit: kinda figured out a temporary fix, if you click the "setup organization" button, it will move your injured players onto the injury list. just cant do it manually

This is also worked around by exiting commish mode.

03-03-2013, 04:11 AM	#1
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 16,623	Injuries Any problems relating to duration, frequency, and description of injuries. RoPa is in charge of injury data and research. Last edited by JeffR; 03-03-2013 at 03:22 PM.

03-04-2013, 11:56 PM	#5
Daletiel Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 80	The game will prevent you from finishing the day with a pop-up saying you have an injured player in the lineup even if you've already placed him on IR and readjusted your lineups. The same also occurs in the reverse case, after having taken a player off of IR. Last edited by Daletiel; 03-05-2013 at 12:41 AM.

03-06-2013, 08:18 AM	#8
curtishale Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8	Injuries Even when turning down the injuries to around 0.30, it still continues to be very high. Multiple players seem to get injured per day.

03-06-2013, 09:57 AM	#10
CeeBee Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chase BC Canada Posts: 105	The cut ear-career ending injury happened in my game in the pre-season to Ryan Suter.... poor Wild __________________ Older is sometimes better.

03-07-2013, 08:38 AM	#15
Laird19 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 6	also having the same "phantom injury" issue. Right now i am stuck. 4 injuries, unable to move any of them to the injured list so i cannot call anyone up, yet am unable to advance because i do not have enough players to put in the lineup.... Edit: kinda figured out a temporary fix, if you click the "setup organization" button, it will move your injured players onto the injury list. just cant do it manually Last edited by Laird19; 03-07-2013 at 08:42 AM.

03-03-2013, 12:56 PM	#2
RoPa All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 558	Franchise Hockey Manager Release Date is Tuesday, September 3, 2013. We have 6 months until that date to Beta test, tweak, improve and nail down injuries for FHM. The first Beta version of the injury file is still very much a work in progress. Constructive feedback is very welcome. RoPa (Robert)

03-04-2013, 09:16 PM	#3
steven21 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4	I have two players injured but when I right-click them and try to put them on the Injury List, the game says they are not injured.

03-04-2013, 10:06 PM	#4
RoPa All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 558	It looks to be the same bug as reported here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...om-injury.html Sebastian is looking into the problem.

03-06-2013, 03:15 PM	#11
RoPa All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 558	When you get a shot to the ear, that hurts! Sebastian knows about the career ending cut ear injury and is checking it out.

03-06-2013, 11:24 PM	#13
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 16,623	Yeah, I just looked at the injuries totals in a test game and they're definitely too high under default settings (Days Lost to Injury is actually tracked on the League Stats screen, in the last column, InD, of the Team Stats page - note that its calendar days, not games, lost.) Averaged 845 per year in the NHL, it should be in the mid-500s. Those totals were actually pretty good for most of the pre-beta testing, but we adjusted them because there seemed to be too many short injuries and not enough longer ones, and that seems to have done something. And the ear thing probably isn't helping.

03-07-2013, 04:20 AM	#14
pens66 Major Leagues Join Date: May 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 390	While this discussion about injuries breaks out just like it did in the early days of EHM, I just want to point something out: TSN.ca currently lists 125 NHL players as injured. That includes long-term guys and day-to-day cases (and, admittedly, maybe a handful of guys who are basically retired, i.e. Chris Pronger). Taking a look at the numbers in FHM, however, I found in my current season: In mid december 71 guys injured, in mid january it's 91 (standard injury setting). Now I come back to the EHM thing: We as players always feel cheated by a computer game if a player is injured, and then another, and then another. It was the exact same thing in EHM and Riz eventually toned down the injuries to an extent that was faaaaar from reality. Let's face it, injuries are a very common part of hockey and a team can rarely play the same lineup night in and night out without any changes. Guys are constantly getting injured. I know we have the injury slider to set things how we like it in FHM, but I think that the number of injuries is about right at the moment. Only the length of injuries maybe needs a look at (maybe more short-term things?). And obviously the frequency of injury types needs some tweaking. There too many arm injuries at the moment, I think. And then there's the ear thing... ;-)