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By the way, Jeff. I noticed the ethnicities list has English, Irish, Scottish but not Welsh names. Do you need to create a Welsh name list, for the thousands (or maybe not) of Welsh players?
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I was referring to Marc-André Fleury, I think Theoren Fleury is English speaking with French origin name. Patrick is a common name in French too. I agree that EHM had some weird name for their regen. I think french canadian always had an important part in the NHL and I just hope that the "balance" portion of them will remain in FHM. |
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English, Irish, and Scottish should be enough, right? Doesn't seem like there are many Welsh players, or areas in North America where Welsh names are common enough (like, say, Scottish in Nova Scotia or Irish in Massachusetts) to merit a special name list. |
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You make a good point about Welsh names outside of Wales. I only mentioned it because there are uniquely Welsh names due to the Welsh language. We could always try to construct a Welsh one later once the prioritty databases are done, time permitting.
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I'm more concerned about ensuring that the Irish and Scottish lists are sufficiently large enough. We don't want to end up with a database full of stereotypes! Here are a couple more resources that may be helpful: SCOTLAND List of Scottish footballers: List of Scotland international footballers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia IRELAND Top 6000+ Northern Irish first names 1997-2011 (Table 6 shows them by percentage share - if you sort them by percentage, you'll get 451 names - I'd ignore those that are 0% or less because some of those seem to be Chinese/Eastern European): http://www.nisra.gov.uk/archive/demo..._List_9711.xls A-Z of Irish first names (I would use the English equivalent where available as some of them are antiquated/traditional): Irish Boy Names - Irish baby boys names, meanings and origins Northern Irish surnames (down the right hand side of the page there are common surnames for each county): Irish Clans and Surnames Gridline - Let me know if you want a hand, or for a second pair of eyes to look through things once completed, etc.
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I've finished letters A-D for Russian last names and completed the first names.
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If I take English and you do the Scots and Irish and then you can look at mine after I have finished and vice versa. I'm happy to do as little or as much as is needed in order just to help get the game up and running in whatever small way I can. |
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Here's the "UK" name lists from OOTP if you two want to use them. The surnames don't look too bad, but I don't know about the first names - they're all set to a frequency of 1, for one thing, and some of them don't seem too British. "Denzel"?
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The first names don't look so good. A fair few of the names are quite antiquated now. I would personally start again and just use the 2011 England & Wales census data - that has all of the frequency counts done for us.
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I plan to (and have started with): - remove all Slovak names and other foreign names (with following exceptions) - keep the foreign names which are likely to be used by Czech parents for their son (e.g. Nikolas, Sebastian, Tobias etc.) - but I will probably remove names which are used in Czech Republic but used by other ethnicities "only"/mainly* - keep some of the Polish names since it is well possible that Czech uses such name - more probably if he comes from border region - remove Vietnamese names** * I am afraid it will be subjective decision whether let a foreign name in the file or remove it. If it would be up to me I would remove Jeremy but keep Nicolas etc. I suppose it's not a big deal though because there will be enough rare names anyway. I don't know what to do with some Russian names - I would delete them according to the second "rule" but there are players like Michail and Dmitrij Jakins in Czech Republic (sons of retired Russian defenseman Alexej Jakin who came to Czech Republic and has both citizenships). What do you think? ** In Czech Republic there is quite big Vietnamese community/minority. I don't know any Vietnamese hockey player but I guess there will be such in the future. Is this something worthy to be discussed and solved e.g. similar way to Slovak names for Czech players? Letting Vietnamese names in the database is not a good solution because then players like Dong Novotný would be generated which is very unlikely IRL. Similar problems could appear with Romani, Hungarian, Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian and Serbian minorities as those are probably the most significant minorities here. |
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My two cents, if anyone wants them:
What would make sense to me would be to keep surnames of ethnies that, in a given country, usually name their children with "local" names as a natural part of the national nameset and make all others very rare or inexistant. Some examples: - Germanic names in Czech Republic are usually associated with Czech first names (e.g. Tomá Fleischmann, Robert Lang, Jaromír Jágr ("czechified" version of Jäger), etc.) - Hungarian names in Slovakia (e.g. Peter Budaj ("slovakified" form of Buday), Andrej Meszáro (Mészáros), Vladimir Országh, Ladislav Nagy, etc.) For ethnies that usually name their children according to their own set of names, it would probably be best to create namesets for them and assign them very low percentages for players created. A Vietnamese set may seem a lot of effort for names that may or may never be used in game for, say, Czech Republic, but this set can then also be used in Canada, USA and other places where there's been immigration; it can also, obviously, be used in Vietnam if someone decides to expand the hockey world to that nation in a fantasy game (it'll likely happen in real life within a decade, anyway). Such minorities sets can add a distinctive flavour to the game. Imagine if once in a while, a player from northern Canada had an Inuit name (like Jordin Tootoo) or if players from some areas in Russia often had Tatar names (like Nail Yakupov), for instance. Player names in simulation games have always been a sensitive issue to me as poor renditions kill all the fun once the regens/newgens start spawning. EHM, for instance, was pretty bad at this. - YZG |
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Hey YZG! Didn't you compile a lot of name data for Dabo's project? I was wondering whether any of it would be useful for FHM - if you're happy to share it.
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Yeah, I had quite a lot of namesets built for that project, many with 1000+ surnames. A large part of it is "stuck" on the hard drive of my old laptop which died a year ago. It still exists, it would just need to be extracted to an external drive. I'm not sure how to do that. I have some further work on this laptop that could be shared, if useful; I always love to compile such lists, so I can definitely build new ones as well.
Can you let me know which sets are ready for the project at the time being and which are needed? I can surely lend a hand with these and contribute a few "flavour" ones. - YZG |
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