Pedroia wins MVP

Tony M · 11-18-2008, 02:36 PM

With a lead over second place of 50 points that wasn't quite as close as I thought it would be, and surprised (though pleased) to see Youk finish 3rd.

Can't be too many people who have won ROY and MVP in consecutive seasons...

mikev · 11-18-2008, 02:39 PM

Couldn't expect the writers to get ALL of the awards right.

RBLwebguy · 11-18-2008, 07:11 PM

Watch this guy play everyday and you'll see why he was a solid choice.

mikev · 11-18-2008, 07:33 PM

What does that even mean?

Green & Gold Heart · 11-18-2008, 07:47 PM

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What does that even mean?

He must be scrappy and/or gritty.

kq76 · 11-18-2008, 08:52 PM

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He must be scrappy and/or gritty.

And/or short or skinny.

I haven't seen the VORP #s from this year yet, but just by looking at the PA/OBP/SLG/RC numbers the only way I can understand it not being close is the Eastern bias or that stupid, "you have to play for a contender" crap. Put Sizemore or Hamilton on the Red Sox and they win it. Or do you really get extra points for a being a scrappy little guy? Both had higher RC and RC/27 and both are CFs. I'm not sure how Hamilton rates as a CF, but I'm pretty sure Grady's up there and I'd rather have a great CF than a slightly lesser 2B. Grady's highest vote was a 6th place. What the??

What jumps at me most looking at those #s is how good of a year 3 Orioles had. Yeah, Roberts had a great year a few years ago and Aubrey Huff was once pretty good, but I thought they were washed up. And this Markakis kid, wow! It's too bad the Orioles pretty much otherwise suck because they might be worth watching some (that pitcher Guthrie is pretty good).

kq76 · 11-18-2008, 09:18 PM

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Can't be too many people who have won ROY and MVP in consecutive seasons...

I don't know exactly, but I thought this kind of related article was interesting.

If Fred Lynn didn't scorch the ball in the year he was first called up to the bigs, I think he probably would have been the biggest surprise ever.

Joshv02 · 11-18-2008, 09:33 PM

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I haven't seen the VORP #s from this year yet

Pedro: #3 in the AL in VORP (about 2.5 behind the leader -ARod - and less than 1 behind Sizemore); #1 in the AL in WARP1 (barely above Mauer). Plus, he does have a good story line, was on a good team, and is a fun player to see play.

Pedro: Reasonable pick in a field of candidates that were pretty evenly matched statistically. I'd have voted for Mauer, basically b/c he deserved it previously, but Pedro is a reasonable pick for sabr reasons and entertainment reasons.

Green & Gold Heart · 11-18-2008, 09:41 PM

Who the **** is Pedro?

Joshv02 · 11-18-2008, 09:46 PM

The dude who was #3 in the AL in vorp. Here is a hint: the A's picked 5 guys before him in the '04 draft, only one who made the majors

Green & Gold Heart · 11-18-2008, 09:54 PM

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The dude who was #3 in the AL in vorp. Here is a hint: the A's picked 5 guys before him in the '04 draft, only one who made the majors

Poop.

CMH · 11-18-2008, 10:12 PM

I don't have a problem with this win.

The award was wide open and Pedroia was clearly the most productive 2B in the American League.

kq76 · 11-18-2008, 10:13 PM

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Plus, he does have a good story line, was on a good team, and is a fun player to see play.

Pedro: Reasonable pick in a field of candidates that were pretty evenly matched statistically. I'd have voted for Mauer, basically b/c he deserved it previously, but Pedro is a reasonable pick for sabr reasons and entertainment reasons.

I agree he's a reasonable pick, it's not out there. I just think it should have been closer and certain players should have gotten a lot more consideration.

You're not saying the bolded are good criteria for picking MVP are you? I don't think you are, I'm just asking. I like to tell myself we take these awards too seriously (we can come up with our own), but I'd hate to see that be someone's criteria for the MVP. That they have to be on a good team is bad enough, but they have to be a good story now too? If so, might as well just call it the ESPN award for real.

As for Mauer, yeah, I see his value when it comes to having a great catcher when most catchers stink, but I have a difficult time giving it to someone whose RC is low compared to so many others (20th). I'm willing to let VORP influence my rating of catchers though.

SWardle · 11-18-2008, 10:34 PM

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What does that even mean?

He has "it" and just gets the job done. He really knows how to win.

mikev · 11-19-2008, 02:12 AM

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The dude who was #3 in the AL in vorp. Here is a hint: the A's picked 5 guys before him in the '04 draft, only one who made the majors

Erroneous.

Both Huston Street and Danny Putnam have made the big leagues.

stevebydac · 11-19-2008, 06:49 AM

I watched Pedroia every game, and he's really a fantastic player. However, I don't even think he was MVP on his own team. Youkilis played fantastic defense at 1B, then did a great job at 3B when Lowell was hurt, and put up fantastic numbers -- numbers I think were better overall than Pedroia's.

Interesting trivia: With everyone yapping about how amazing Manny Ramirez played for the Dodgers late in the year, guess who had more extra base hits than Ramirez in August? Pedroia.

Joshv02 · 11-19-2008, 07:33 AM

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You're not saying the bolded are good criteria for picking MVP are you? I don't think you are, I'm just asking. I like to tell myself we take these awards too seriously (we can come up with our own), but I'd hate to see that be someone's criteria for the MVP. That they have to be on a good team is bad enough, but they have to be a good story now too? If so, might as well just call it the ESPN award for real.

No, you are right that it isn't my criteria. But, baseball is just entertainment, so a player being good but providing negative entertainment value may not be an MVP to some.

railroad_ross · 11-20-2008, 03:23 PM

Youk was the MVP of the soxs... who else could fill 3B when Lowell went down?

One stat won Poopdroia the MVP- 5'7" (or 5'9" if you believe the media guide). If he is over 6' tall he doesn't win the award.

mikev · 11-20-2008, 05:02 PM

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Interesting trivia: With everyone yapping about how amazing Manny Ramirez played for the Dodgers late in the year, guess who had more extra base hits than Ramirez in August? Pedroia.

Is it really considered trivia if ESPN spouts it off every 2 hours?

RchW · 11-20-2008, 07:05 PM

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Is it really considered trivia if ESPN spouts it off every 2 hours?

That's called trivial.

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railroad_ross Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 270	Youk was the MVP of the soxs... who else could fill 3B when Lowell went down? One stat won Poopdroia the MVP- 5'7" (or 5'9" if you believe the media guide). If he is over 6' tall he doesn't win the award. __________________ Ross Grooters Owner, New York Knights, TTBL

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Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156 Blog Entries: 3	Pedroia wins MVP With a lead over second place of 50 points that wasn't quite as close as I thought it would be, and surprised (though pleased) to see Youk finish 3rd. Can't be too many people who have won ROY and MVP in consecutive seasons...

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RBLwebguy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 5,157	Watch this guy play everyday and you'll see why he was a solid choice.

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Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Who the **** is Pedro?

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CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	I don't have a problem with this win. The award was wide open and Pedroia was clearly the most productive 2B in the American League.

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stevebydac All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In a fictional baseball world Posts: 835	I watched Pedroia every game, and he's really a fantastic player. However, I don't even think he was MVP on his own team. Youkilis played fantastic defense at 1B, then did a great job at 3B when Lowell was hurt, and put up fantastic numbers -- numbers I think were better overall than Pedroia's. Interesting trivia: With everyone yapping about how amazing Manny Ramirez played for the Dodgers late in the year, guess who had more extra base hits than Ramirez in August? Pedroia.