Christian OOTP4 league - 2002 season - Page 5

Jermanfu · 05-30-2002, 11:03 AM

Eagle Eye,
If you want to make a anti-Christian league or a "I like to bit e heads off of live bats" League or whatever the heck you want too.....power to you. And if you want to exclude people without black hair or exclude females or even exclude all people under 7 feet tall, GO FOR IT! Power to you. But the one thing I say.......LET HIM HAVE HIS CHRISTIAN LEAGUE. Just like I wouldn't critisize you for having your "All members must wear purple underwear or not Join" league, I'm not going to critisize him for his Christian league. Nuff said

EagleEye_0 · 05-30-2002, 11:10 AM

Have you actually read any of my posts Jermanfu? I seriously doubt it from your post. I never said anything bad about anyone of any race, creed, religion or ethnicity. I also stated multiple times I didnt have a problem with the league in general. I'm sure my mother, aunt, cousins, grandparents, best friend, and the girl I currenly have romantic feelings for (all christian) will be interested to hear I'm anti christian (ficticious, just proving a point).

[ 05-30-2002, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: EagleEye_0 ]

Jermanfu · 05-30-2002, 11:13 AM

You know, I want to make another point on this subject since my feathers are ruffled. I'd like to speak for all of us "horrible Facist Christians" who are trying to "brain wash" the world. This is how I see it. Yes, I believe in God, and he is the reason I live my life. But you know what? If someone else doesn't feel the same way, no big deal. Just because I think my way of living is right, doesn't mean anyone else has to feel the same way. The way I see it, we'll find out when we die won't we

If I'm right GOOD. If I'm wrong, no big deal because according the the agnostics, there won't be anything after we die, so I won't know I was wrong. Either way, I don't see how I can lose

By the same token, all the athiests or Hindus or Muslems or whatever else forms of religion out there are more then welcome to believe how they want. I'm not interested in converting anyone to my way of thinking. If my actions alone aren't enough to show people what is good about Christianity, then I have no right to try to persaude people with words.

P.S. Eagle Eye, this post wasn't meant nesc. for you, just for the several people I saw reply who are making us Christians look like bad guys.

[ 05-30-2002, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: Jermanfu ]

kevintbullock · 05-30-2002, 11:23 AM

Hey everyone, did you see that the Christian league was simply looking for owners?

Kevin

mking55 · 05-30-2002, 11:31 AM

Kevin,

The thing that bothers me most is when people start a sentence with "hey".

Other than that, you are correct. I thought we were moving on to other things. Please, no more thoughts on this subject. My head is spinning.

Peace.

sporr · 05-30-2002, 11:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jermanfu:
The way I see it, we'll find out when we die won't we

If I'm right GOOD. If I'm wrong, no big deal because according the the agnostics, there won't be anything after we die, so I won't know I was wrong. Either way, I don't see how I can lose <hr /></blockquote>If the Muslims or Jews are right, wouldn't you be in trouble?

kevintbullock · 05-30-2002, 12:23 PM

Mking, I apologize for the "hey" comment. You are right, it's bad grammar.

Kevin

IamIowa · 05-30-2002, 12:38 PM

So....was Jesus Christ really a "Superstar"? Or was that play just for profit? Perhaps Mary Katherine Gallagher knows.......hmmmmm

David Gray · 05-30-2002, 12:40 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EagleEye_0:
I discussed some opinions I had, but I never once said anything bad about anyone individually or as a group, but I do take some offense to being told I am going to hell and since you didnt disagree with the fact that was what he said I'll take it as so.<hr /></blockquote>Mature members of a mature society don't take offense at some things. Muslims may believe I'm going to hell. I don't take offense at that. I will take offense if they ban other religions and revert to the old practice of conversion by the sword. In a mature society people will be able to have significant disagreements without feeling deep personal offense.

Dave

David Gray · 05-30-2002, 12:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mking55:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Yes, I am a Christian, and yes it is good to see all these responses, especially from you non-Christians...It means that you are thinking(at least momentarily) about Jesus Christ, so you will have no excuse when you stand before Him on that day <hr /></blockquote>I love this. It proves my point. Every little thing has to do with this christ guy. It's all about him. That isn't true. My wife told me specifically, "It's all about you". So it is all about me because my wife wouldn't lie.

So, we have people looking to run a league where the players don't cheat and take advantage of the lamebrained. And to have that kind of league, you need a "christian league". That is just a little too pompous.

Everyone can close their eyes and say "live and let live". The people who truly believe that, like myself, do not advertise religious or other forms of bigotry. We do not proselytize. We do not assume our beliefs are better than others. The world is a big place filled with many different kinds of people. Just because they don't believe the same as you, they shouldn't have to listen to your cockeyed beliefs. If you are asked your beliefs, please respond. Otherwise, who cares?<hr /></blockquote>If you can't deal with diversity perhaps you would appreciate Saudi Arabia where people are not allowed to differ in public. In a public forum you should, if you are mature, be capable of listening to ideas that you differ with or find disagreeable without throwing a tantrum or hissyfit...

Dave

David Gray · 05-30-2002, 12:43 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EagleEye_0:
I believe I originally said this WAS most likely a bunch of people getting together to share a common belief and not the other way around, maybe I mis-typed. Also, on making this an issue, if you read my posts I said they were not having to do with this league in just about every one of them. I also again never stated anything negative about anyone. I seriously doubt that deserves being told your going to hell because I'm of a different belief. If someone came on here and said all Christians were going to hell do you have any idea the replys they would get.<hr /></blockquote>Hopefully they would get a more thoughtful response than the relative hysteria I've witnessed as I've read the last few pages of comments...

Dave

IamIowa · 05-30-2002, 12:45 PM

Who here is a hissy??? Come on all you hissies, show yourselves....lets see you ..... hissyfit. Thats a dance right? Its sorta like the "Hustle"???...........No??? Oh ......

David Gray · 05-30-2002, 12:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IamIowa:
Who here is a hissy??? Come on all you hissies, show yourselves....lets see you ..... hissyfit. Thats a dance right? Its sorta like the "Hustle"???...........No??? Oh ......<hr /></blockquote>I think they burned hissyfit records at a White Sox game a few years ago...

Dave

EagleEye_0 · 05-30-2002, 12:54 PM

David, I later explained what I meant by taking offense. It bothers me when a a child can come on here and read hes going to hell if hes not Christian. I'm not sure if young people frequent the board or not, but I know I would of loved to of played game like this when I was 8 and that my little sister was able to surf a meesage board like this at the age of 5. I honestly could care less if someone tells me personally that I'm going to hell,

David Gray · 05-30-2002, 12:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EagleEye_0:
David, I later explained what I meant by taking offense. It bothers me when a a child can come on here and read hes going to hell if hes not Christian. I'm not sure if young people frequent the board or not, but I know I would of loved to of played game like this when I was 8 and that my little sister was able to surf a meesage board like this at the age of 5. I honestly could care less if someone tells me personally that I'm going to hell,<hr /></blockquote>It seems to me that if a child takes part in a public forum they have to expect to encounter ideas they may differ with. If their parents don't want them to encounter such ideas they shouldn't permit them in public forums. There was no obscenity or pornography involved, just a philosophical statement of one perspective on reality. As Carol Burnett would say, "tough rockoes..."

Dave

EagleEye_0 · 05-30-2002, 12:56 PM

On a side note, The hissyfit was a 19th century dance created by some nomadic people living just outside of Rhode Island.

David Gray · 05-30-2002, 12:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EagleEye_0:
On a side note, The hissyfit was a 19th century dance created by some nomadic people living just outside of Rhode Island.<hr /></blockquote>Rhode Island, it has SO much to answer for...

Dave

IamIowa · 05-30-2002, 01:03 PM

Ahhh yes, the nomadic Rhode Islanders.......arent they decendants of the Quakers..........Of course I mean the people that make the oatmeal.

kevintbullock · 05-30-2002, 01:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by David Gray:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EagleEye_0:
I believe I originally said this WAS most likely a bunch of people getting together to share a common belief and not the other way around, maybe I mis-typed. Also, on making this an issue, if you read my posts I said they were not having to do with this league in just about every one of them. I also again never stated anything negative about anyone. I seriously doubt that deserves being told your going to hell because I'm of a different belief. If someone came on here and said all Christians were going to hell do you have any idea the replys they would get.<hr /></blockquote>Hopefully they would get a more thoughtful response than the relative hysteria I've witnessed as I've read the last few pages of comments...

Dave<hr /></blockquote>Actually, Dave, we were just looking for a few committed owners. (Not the mentally committed, just owners who wanted to sim some baseball!) And we got a few!

Khaos · 05-30-2002, 05:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> If I'm right GOOD. If I'm wrong, no big deal because according the the agnostics, there won't be anything after we die, so I won't know I was wrong. Either way, I don't see how I can lose By the same token, all the athiests or Hindus or Muslems or whatever else forms of religion out there are more then welcome to believe how they want. I'm not interested in converting anyone to my way of thinking. If my actions alone aren't enough to show people what is good about Christianity, then I have no right to try to persaude people with words.
<hr /></blockquote>Um, agnostics don't say there isn't a God. Agnostics believe that maybe there is, maybe there isn't. They aren't opposed to the idea of a supreme being. They are however non-believers in any organized religion since they see religion as something invented by man.

Aethiests however do not believe in any God at all, and thus really aren't a religion.

I understand your anger at being labeled. It wasn't my intention. It was only to point out where the animosity comes from.

05-30-2002, 11:03 AM	#81
Jermanfu All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 899	Eagle Eye, If you want to make a anti-Christian league or a "I like to bit e heads off of live bats" League or whatever the heck you want too.....power to you. And if you want to exclude people without black hair or exclude females or even exclude all people under 7 feet tall, GO FOR IT! Power to you. But the one thing I say.......LET HIM HAVE HIS CHRISTIAN LEAGUE. Just like I wouldn't critisize you for having your "All members must wear purple underwear or not Join" league, I'm not going to critisize him for his Christian league. Nuff said __________________ "I took the two most expensive asprins in history." - Wally Pipp on his decision to sit out a game with a headache which let Lou Gehrig into the lineup for the first time. http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/Jermanfu/

05-30-2002, 11:10 AM	#82
EagleEye_0 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,426	Have you actually read any of my posts Jermanfu? I seriously doubt it from your post. I never said anything bad about anyone of any race, creed, religion or ethnicity. I also stated multiple times I didnt have a problem with the league in general. I'm sure my mother, aunt, cousins, grandparents, best friend, and the girl I currenly have romantic feelings for (all christian) will be interested to hear I'm anti christian (ficticious, just proving a point). <small>[ 05-30-2002, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: EagleEye_0 ]</small>

05-30-2002, 11:13 AM	#83
Jermanfu All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 899	You know, I want to make another point on this subject since my feathers are ruffled. I'd like to speak for all of us "horrible Facist Christians" who are trying to "brain wash" the world. This is how I see it. Yes, I believe in God, and he is the reason I live my life. But you know what? If someone else doesn't feel the same way, no big deal. Just because I think my way of living is right, doesn't mean anyone else has to feel the same way. The way I see it, we'll find out when we die won't we If I'm right GOOD. If I'm wrong, no big deal because according the the agnostics, there won't be anything after we die, so I won't know I was wrong. Either way, I don't see how I can lose By the same token, all the athiests or Hindus or Muslems or whatever else forms of religion out there are more then welcome to believe how they want. I'm not interested in converting anyone to my way of thinking. If my actions alone aren't enough to show people what is good about Christianity, then I have no right to try to persaude people with words. P.S. Eagle Eye, this post wasn't meant nesc. for you, just for the several people I saw reply who are making us Christians look like bad guys. <small>[ 05-30-2002, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: Jermanfu ]</small> __________________ "I took the two most expensive asprins in history." - Wally Pipp on his decision to sit out a game with a headache which let Lou Gehrig into the lineup for the first time. http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/Jermanfu/

05-30-2002, 11:31 AM	#85
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Kevin, The thing that bothers me most is when people start a sentence with "hey". Other than that, you are correct. I thought we were moving on to other things. Please, no more thoughts on this subject. My head is spinning. Peace. __________________ Why do you live in Boading? Somebody has to. http://adventuresinjurong.wordpress.com/

05-30-2002, 11:35 AM	#86
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Jermanfu: <strong>The way I see it, we'll find out when we die won't we If I'm right GOOD. If I'm wrong, no big deal because according the the agnostics, there won't be anything after we die, so I won't know I was wrong. Either way, I don't see how I can lose </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If the Muslims or Jews are right, wouldn't you be in trouble?

05-30-2002, 11:23 AM	#84
kevintbullock Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Eugene ,OR Posts: 37	Hey everyone, did you see that the Christian league was simply looking for owners? Kevin

05-30-2002, 12:23 PM	#87
kevintbullock Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Eugene ,OR Posts: 37	Mking, I apologize for the "hey" comment. You are right, it's bad grammar. Kevin

05-30-2002, 12:38 PM	#88
IamIowa Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 216	So....was Jesus Christ really a "Superstar"? Or was that play just for profit? Perhaps Mary Katherine Gallagher knows.......hmmmmm __________________ Boston Redsox - Baseball Maelstrom Co-Commish, 1995 runner-up Iowa Stormraiders - New World 1984 Champion, 1986 Champion, 1987 runner-up, 1988 champion, 1993 runner-up Los Angeles Dodgers - DBLC

05-30-2002, 12:40 PM	#89
David Gray Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 83	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by EagleEye_0: <strong>I discussed some opinions I had, but I never once said anything bad about anyone individually or as a group, but I do take some offense to being told I am going to hell and since you didnt disagree with the fact that was what he said I'll take it as so.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Mature members of a mature society don't take offense at some things. Muslims may believe I'm going to hell. I don't take offense at that. I will take offense if they ban other religions and revert to the old practice of conversion by the sword. In a mature society people will be able to have significant disagreements without feeling deep personal offense. Dave

05-30-2002, 12:42 PM	#90
David Gray Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 83	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mking55: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, I am a Christian, and yes it is good to see all these responses, especially from you non-Christians...It means that you are thinking(at least momentarily) about Jesus Christ, so you will have no excuse when you stand before Him on that day </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I love this. It proves my point. Every little thing has to do with this christ guy. It's all about him. That isn't true. My wife told me specifically, "It's all about you". So it is all about me because my wife wouldn't lie. So, we have people looking to run a league where the players don't cheat and take advantage of the lamebrained. And to have that kind of league, you need a "christian league". That is just a little too pompous. Everyone can close their eyes and say "live and let live". The people who truly believe that, like myself, do not advertise religious or other forms of bigotry. We do not proselytize. We do not assume our beliefs are better than others. The world is a big place filled with many different kinds of people. Just because they don't believe the same as you, they shouldn't have to listen to your cockeyed beliefs. If you are asked your beliefs, please respond. Otherwise, who cares?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If you can't deal with diversity perhaps you would appreciate Saudi Arabia where people are not allowed to differ in public. In a public forum you should, if you are mature, be capable of listening to ideas that you differ with or find disagreeable without throwing a tantrum or hissyfit... Dave

05-30-2002, 12:43 PM	#91
David Gray Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 83	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by EagleEye_0: <strong>I believe I originally said this WAS most likely a bunch of people getting together to share a common belief and not the other way around, maybe I mis-typed. Also, on making this an issue, if you read my posts I said they were not having to do with this league in just about every one of them. I also again never stated anything negative about anyone. I seriously doubt that deserves being told your going to hell because I'm of a different belief. If someone came on here and said all Christians were going to hell do you have any idea the replys they would get.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hopefully they would get a more thoughtful response than the relative hysteria I've witnessed as I've read the last few pages of comments... Dave

05-30-2002, 12:45 PM	#92
IamIowa Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 216	Who here is a hissy??? Come on all you hissies, show yourselves....lets see you ..... hissyfit. Thats a dance right? Its sorta like the "Hustle"???...........No??? Oh ...... __________________ Boston Redsox - Baseball Maelstrom Co-Commish, 1995 runner-up Iowa Stormraiders - New World 1984 Champion, 1986 Champion, 1987 runner-up, 1988 champion, 1993 runner-up Los Angeles Dodgers - DBLC

05-30-2002, 12:48 PM	#93
David Gray Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 83	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by IamIowa: <strong>Who here is a hissy??? Come on all you hissies, show yourselves....lets see you ..... hissyfit. Thats a dance right? Its sorta like the "Hustle"???...........No??? Oh ......</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think they burned hissyfit records at a White Sox game a few years ago... Dave

05-30-2002, 12:54 PM	#94
EagleEye_0 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,426	David, I later explained what I meant by taking offense. It bothers me when a a child can come on here and read hes going to hell if hes not Christian. I'm not sure if young people frequent the board or not, but I know I would of loved to of played game like this when I was 8 and that my little sister was able to surf a meesage board like this at the age of 5. I honestly could care less if someone tells me personally that I'm going to hell,

05-30-2002, 12:56 PM	#95
David Gray Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 83	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by EagleEye_0: <strong>David, I later explained what I meant by taking offense. It bothers me when a a child can come on here and read hes going to hell if hes not Christian. I'm not sure if young people frequent the board or not, but I know I would of loved to of played game like this when I was 8 and that my little sister was able to surf a meesage board like this at the age of 5. I honestly could care less if someone tells me personally that I'm going to hell,</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It seems to me that if a child takes part in a public forum they have to expect to encounter ideas they may differ with. If their parents don't want them to encounter such ideas they shouldn't permit them in public forums. There was no obscenity or pornography involved, just a philosophical statement of one perspective on reality. As Carol Burnett would say, "tough rockoes..." Dave

05-30-2002, 12:57 PM	#97
David Gray Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 83	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by EagleEye_0: <strong>On a side note, The hissyfit was a 19th century dance created by some nomadic people living just outside of Rhode Island.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Rhode Island, it has SO much to answer for... Dave

05-30-2002, 01:03 PM	#98
IamIowa Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 216	Ahhh yes, the nomadic Rhode Islanders.......arent they decendants of the Quakers..........Of course I mean the people that make the oatmeal. __________________ Boston Redsox - Baseball Maelstrom Co-Commish, 1995 runner-up Iowa Stormraiders - New World 1984 Champion, 1986 Champion, 1987 runner-up, 1988 champion, 1993 runner-up Los Angeles Dodgers - DBLC

05-30-2002, 01:31 PM	#99
kevintbullock Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Eugene ,OR Posts: 37	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by David Gray: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by EagleEye_0: <strong>I believe I originally said this WAS most likely a bunch of people getting together to share a common belief and not the other way around, maybe I mis-typed. Also, on making this an issue, if you read my posts I said they were not having to do with this league in just about every one of them. I also again never stated anything negative about anyone. I seriously doubt that deserves being told your going to hell because I'm of a different belief. If someone came on here and said all Christians were going to hell do you have any idea the replys they would get.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hopefully they would get a more thoughtful response than the relative hysteria I've witnessed as I've read the last few pages of comments... Dave</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Actually, Dave, we were just looking for a few committed owners. (Not the mentally committed, just owners who wanted to sim some baseball!) And we got a few!

05-30-2002, 05:23 PM	#100
Khaos Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canfield, OH Posts: 473	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> If I'm right GOOD. If I'm wrong, no big deal because according the the agnostics, there won't be anything after we die, so I won't know I was wrong. Either way, I don't see how I can lose By the same token, all the athiests or Hindus or Muslems or whatever else forms of religion out there are more then welcome to believe how they want. I'm not interested in converting anyone to my way of thinking. If my actions alone aren't enough to show people what is good about Christianity, then I have no right to try to persaude people with words. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Um, agnostics don't say there isn't a God. Agnostics believe that maybe there is, maybe there isn't. They aren't opposed to the idea of a supreme being. They are however non-believers in any organized religion since they see religion as something invented by man. Aethiests however do not believe in any God at all, and thus really aren't a religion. I understand your anger at being labeled. It wasn't my intention. It was only to point out where the animosity comes from. __________________ squish