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Old 12-12-2019, 02:40 PM   #21
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I really don't pay enough attention to what owners do. But to me, if an owner's priority is not winning, he's a poor owner. There might be other reasons too, I'm just not aware of them.

I notice a lot of people mentioning Dan Snyder. Care to elaborate? I'm asking because I truly don't know.
The thing with Snyder and Jerry Jones is that they do want to win. That isn't the issue. The issue is that they think they can do it all themselves. They seem to control every aspect of the team instead of letting people with experience take over.

It is their team but at a point you need to realize when you are the one to blame for the struggles.
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The thing with Snyder and Jerry Jones is that they do want to win. That isn't the issue. The issue is that they think they can do it all themselves. They seem to control every aspect of the team instead of letting people with experience take over.

It is their team but at a point you need to realize when you are the one to blame for the struggles.
If I pay a billion plus, I'm going to have my foot in everything I want to put it in. I'm not paying that much money and then taking a back seat. Especially if hiring the "right people" to run it is no guarantee of winning. If I'm going to fail, then I AM going to fail, not we.
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If I pay a billion plus, I'm going to have my foot in everything I want to put it in. I'm not paying that much money and then taking a back seat. Especially if hiring the "right people" to run it is no guarantee of winning. If I'm going to fail, then I AM going to fail, not we.
That's good but still doesn't make you a good owner, as far as this thread goes, if you are the main reason your team fails.
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That's good but still doesn't make you a good owner, as far as this thread goes, if you are the main reason your team fails.
The problem comes when you don't hire good advisors to aid your decision making and are unwilling to listen to them. But I don't criticize them for wanting to make the decision. There are too many football people who don't want to work for a hands on owner because they arrogantly think the owner is there just to sign the checks. As if they are the real bosses. That's part of the problem. Especially for Snyder.
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Old 12-13-2019, 12:49 PM   #25
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The problem comes when you don't hire good advisors to aid your decision making and are unwilling to listen to them. But I don't criticize them for wanting to make the decision. There are too many football people who don't want to work for a hands on owner because they arrogantly think the owner is there just to sign the checks. As if they are the real bosses. That's part of the problem. Especially for Snyder.
Well, no. Snyder hires bad people (Vinnie Cerrato and Bruce Allen) and then does listen to them. In both cases they made (or make, in Allen's case) decisions that feed Snyder's massive ego. Snyder loves having George Allen's son work for him, just like he loved making the Foreskins cheerleaders 'date' his business associates.

People forget Snyder liked to 'hang out' with Griffin--until the knee issues ended his career. And don't forget, He insisted on drafting Haskins because that QB went to high school with Snyder's son. We'll see how this turns out.

Snyder is a Trump Mini-Me in using his team ownership to enhance his wealth with no regard for the team's success. Look at all his marketing scams--the fake waiting list for tickets to a glaring not-sold out stadium being the most egregious.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:53 AM   #26
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The thing with Snyder and Jerry Jones is that they do want to win. That isn't the issue. The issue is that they think they can do it all themselves. They seem to control every aspect of the team instead of letting people with experience take over.

It is their team but at a point you need to realize when you are the one to blame for the struggles.
No doubt the majority of Cowboys fans hate Jones for various reasons. For the reason you said and for losing Jimmy Johnson. But I'm not one of them. Similar to the Myles/Mason helmet fight, yeah Myles took most of the blame, but Mason wasn't acting the altar boy in the incident either.

Jerry being GM is not the reason for the Cowboys lack of success, but people need any excuse. There is no guarantee another GM would be any better. This is not to say I think Jerry is a great GM, he's not. But recently, and whoever is in control whether it be him or his son, they're not doing a bad job yet the team still struggles.

The Cowboys lack of success is clear for anyone to see. Look at the coaches since Jimmy Johnson. One good coach, Bill Parcells. He's the reason Wade Phillips had that 2007 team, then all went to the crapper. Same with Barry Switzer. So if you want to blame Jerry for something, blame him for that.

The best way I can describe the Cowboys coaches besides Parcells, and I'll have to use a line from Dennis Green, "They are who we thought they were", BUMS, all BUMS!
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Another historically bad owner was Connie Mack who twice dismantled championship squads and stayed on his managerial job way too long. Philadelphia fans responded in kind by staying away in droves thus leading to the A's departure for Kansas City giving the city to the Phillies almost by default. BTW, when the A's left town the Phils were listening to overtures from the city of Los Angeles about moving the team there.
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The NFL with the Rams, the NHL with the Avalanche, and the English Premier League with Arsenal.
I get Arsenal and the Rams (especially the Gunners), but the Avs and the Nuggets are legit contenders.Silent Stan's biggest problem at the moment is that he can't get carriers to carry Altitude TV, so none of us in Denver can watch them. That has to be costing him big bucks.

Anyway, there are much worse owners than Kronke. Dan Snyder comes to mind. He's destroyed the Skins with his meddling. The Monforts also deserve mention.
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:35 PM   #29
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I would say Dan Snyder, but at least he hasn't committed the #1 sin in team owning...... moving the team.

So I'm going with (in no particular order):

Art Modell
Al Davis
Bill Bidwill
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I get Arsenal and the Rams (especially the Gunners), but the Avs and the Nuggets are legit contenders.Silent Stan's biggest problem at the moment is that he can't get carriers to carry Altitude TV, so none of us in Denver can watch them. That has to be costing him big bucks.

Anyway, there are much worse owners than Kronke. Dan Snyder comes to mind. He's destroyed the Skins with his meddling. The Monforts also deserve mention.
The Avalanche are doing okay at the moment but when Kroenke bought them they were an NHL power. Then he destroyed them. Now they've made sort of a cyclical recovery. As for the Rams, last year's Super Bowl was a fluke if there ever was one. Sure, there are some worse owners out there than Enos Stanley Kroenke but not many.
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Old 12-24-2019, 11:29 AM   #32
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Here is an updated story about Snyder. It contains many links to articles I mentioned above that describe all the villainous details about that putrid piece of pigpoop:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/1...tom-dan-snyder
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-...130052596.html

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I know we like to bash owners but let us give a shout out to owners that are planning on continuing paying their players even though legally they do not have to. Especially the NFL who plan on paying ALL players salaries they would have earned this year.
The ones that are really getting hurt are arena workers. I see Kevin Love is donating a 100 thousand for arena workers, hope others step up also. I imagine casinos and gambling sites will take a big hit.
It will be interesting to see what happens to college coaches who get big incentives based on making the tourney and tourney play. Lawsuits???
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