PLEASE--Nobody Lives to 300 years old--Please FIX!!

Honorable_Pawn · 10-07-2014, 10:30 PM

Markus,

Please come to your senses. It's totally dumb and unrealistic.

Thanks.

Honorable_Pawn · 10-08-2014, 09:13 PM

A guy coaches for 25 years and sets the coaching record. I want to hire a coach and challenge that record. As it stands it's pointless. I can just coach forever.

jaysdailydose · 10-08-2014, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

A guy coaches for 25 years and sets the coaching record. I want to hire a coach and challenge that record. As it stands it's pointless. I can just coach forever.

I fully support this, as long as it stays as an option and not mandatory.

I posted this in your other thread, but at least if you break Joe McCarthy's records and start another character, YOU know you did it. I go for those in every game I play.

bwburke94 · 10-08-2014, 10:32 PM

Deaths for retired players is a good request. I suggest it should be put into OOTP16, with the following restrictions:

1. If at least 9 years of ML service time, Hall of Fame eligibility expired. If fewer than 9 years of ML service time, at least 10 years since retirement.
2. Not currently a coach for any team in the world, and no pending offers.

Honorable_Pawn · 10-10-2014, 06:04 PM

I'm not so sure about the Hall of Fame restriction in regards to eligibility. I think post-humous entry would be a nice touch, if infrequent.

chucksabr · 10-11-2014, 10:01 AM

Well, if you want to be really real about it, 88 players have died during the season, out of something like 79,629 player-seasons in which at least one game was played, which is something like one in 915. So you could have a 915:1 randomizer built in for every player-season that "this player might die this season". Or if you want to modernize the chances, 44 guys have died in 49,152 player-seasons since 1949 (i.e., after the wars), which is one in 1,117.

It would be a huge bummer to lose a player that way, but that would reflect a greater sense of reality. You wouldn't need a gruesome storyline for it, but it would be more real.

ChiefWahoo · 10-11-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

A guy coaches for 25 years and sets the coaching record. I want to hire a coach and challenge that record. As it stands it's pointless. I can just coach forever.

I would indeed like to see retired players and staff pass away (maybe only fictional ones, though, so as to be sensitive for real-life men); however, please do not make it mandatory for our GM to pass away. If I want to simulate 1,000 years of baseball in a saved game, leave us that ability please. Also, if players do pass away, please keep the FaceGen where it is now... with retired players' faces locking at the date of retirement. Thanks!

Honorable_Pawn · 10-11-2014, 03:49 PM

As always...optional.

dave1927p · 10-21-2014, 11:26 PM

Ideally I Would prefer players to pass away, but the next best thing is change the word "Age" to "Born" only for retired players.
So instead of "Age: 169" it is "Born: 169 years ago"

Honorable_Pawn · 10-24-2014, 05:38 PM

Nice idea. Pair that with face-gen freeze at time of retirement and...bam! Every one is happy. Very smart.

Cryomaniac · 10-24-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dave1927p

Ideally I Would prefer players to pass away, but the next best thing is change the word "Age" to "Born" only for retired players.
So instead of "Age: 169" it is "Born: 169 years ago"

That is probably a logical compromise.

chucksabr · 10-26-2014, 02:46 PM

I'm sure someone has brought this up, but can any code be written in which if retired=1, aging stops?

Ike348 · 10-27-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chucksabr

I'm sure someone has brought this up, but can any code be written in which if retired=1, aging stops?

In iOOTP, all retired players except the HOFers, and those HOFers stop aging. They'll be inducted 50 years ago and say, "Age: 39", or something.

So it's definitely possible, but then if the player becomes a coach, do they stay 40 forvever?

chucksabr · 10-27-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike348

In iOOTP, all retired players except the HOFers, and those HOFers stop aging. They'll be inducted 50 years ago and say, "Age: 39", or something.

So it's definitely possible, but then if the player becomes a coach, do they stay 40 forvever?

I would think there would be a way to determine whether a coach is retired or active, same as a player.

Carlton · 10-29-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dave1927p

Ideally I Would prefer players to pass away, but the next best thing is change the word "Age" to "Born" only for retired players.
So instead of "Age: 169" it is "Born: 169 years ago"

Great idea and here is my addition

Pickable storylines about a superstar passing away...could be 3 or 4 generic storylines (long term disease,old age,accident,gone too soon disease). If I want Mickey Mantle to pass away due to kidney failure and then personalize it, I should be able to choose that in the player profile dropdown. Make it "Memorial story"

professor ape · 11-16-2014, 09:10 AM

I know that there has been an aversion by the development team to address this morbid topic but it is a part of life and of the game of baseball. You can readily find the current probabilities of death at various ages so you could have a very simple randomizer to determine when a player passes away. Life expectancy should follow real life and be increasing slowly.
Again, while morbid, I would add the following toggles:

Death (on/off) -Ssome people may not want it at all
Active Players - Ability to toggle off the possibility of active players dying
Active Coaches/Scouts - Same for coaches
Active Owners - Same for owners
HOF Eligible - Same for players which are currently eligible for the HOF. If HOF players are set to be able to die while HOF eligible the a "death bump" toggle would be good. It is a real thing IRL.
Stories (on/off) - Toggle whether there is a story and/or cause of death provided (morbidity factor). When off there could be a generic note.

Regarding the photo conversation, I would have three photo 'slots' for each player. First would be the 'current age' photo which would be used for any active players or coaches. The 'retired' slot would be displayed for any player who is officially retired. My ideal would be to have this be a cached photo of the player when they had their best season. At the end of a season the system would simply check if the player's WAR is greater than past seasons, If 'yes', then the current photo is saved over the previous picture. If 'no' then the previously cached picture persists.
Similarly for coaches and other staff, the third slot would cache the picture from the best season they had in their highest position (e.g. a guy who coaches for 15 years on strong teams but manages on year for a weak team would have their managerial picture cached).

Elektranaut · 11-17-2014, 12:54 AM

Players should be allowed to pass on....it must be hell becoming ever more sick and decrepit.In reality death eventually becomes a kind of salvation as the body gradually loses its abiltiy to function normally.These ex pros are condemned to a life of eternal suffering without end.Shameful.

Elektranaut · 11-17-2014, 01:02 AM

One of the few things that annoys me about OOTP are all the facegen inconsistencies...nothing ever gets done about it...for example the mess that is the championship page where winning teams are in a variey of seemingly random shirts.

ra7c7er · 11-17-2014, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefWahoo

I would indeed like to see retired players and staff pass away (maybe only fictional ones, though, so as to be sensitive for real-life men); however, please do not make it mandatory for our GM to pass away. If I want to simulate 1,000 years of baseball in a saved game, leave us that ability please. Also, if players do pass away, please keep the FaceGen where it is now... with retired players' faces locking at the date of retirement. Thanks!

It's a game why do we have to be PC about it. Death happens. So Oscar Tavares (RIP) lives to be 900 but billy bob fictional man dies at 22 in the off season after putting up reasonable numbers in his rookie season. I don't see a difference the game is a game not real life.

Cryomaniac · 11-18-2014, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ra7c7er

It's a game why do we have to be PC about it. Death happens. So Oscar Tavares (RIP) lives to be 900 but billy bob fictional man dies at 22 in the off season after putting up reasonable numbers in his rookie season. I don't see a difference the game is a game not real life.

To be fair, the game does already set certain storylines so they can't happen to real players, so it wouldn't be any more "PC" than it already is.

10-07-2014, 10:30 PM	#1
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	PLEASE--Nobody Lives to 300 years old--Please FIX!! Markus, Please come to your senses. It's totally dumb and unrealistic. Thanks.

10-11-2014, 10:01 AM	#6
chucksabr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: In the canyons of your mind Posts: 3,172	Well, if you want to be really real about it, 88 players have died during the season, out of something like 79,629 player-seasons in which at least one game was played, which is something like one in 915. So you could have a 915:1 randomizer built in for every player-season that "this player might die this season". Or if you want to modernize the chances, 44 guys have died in 49,152 player-seasons since 1949 (i.e., after the wars), which is one in 1,117. It would be a huge bummer to lose a player that way, but that would reflect a greater sense of reality. You wouldn't need a gruesome storyline for it, but it would be more real. __________________ The (English) Baseball League (est. 1888): A History The 1932 Season is Underway Dynasty Mission \| Creation Story \| Subscribe 1888 1889 1890 1891 1892 1893 1894 1895 1896 1897 1898 1899 1900 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1907 1908 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 (Great War Hiatus) 1919 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 1928 1929 1930 1931 The OOTP Interview about the Baseball League

10-21-2014, 11:26 PM	#9
dave1927p FHM Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Brantford, ON Posts: 2,888	Ideally I Would prefer players to pass away, but the next best thing is change the word "Age" to "Born" only for retired players. So instead of "Age: 169" it is "Born: 169 years ago" __________________ IN 1964 THE LEAFS WON THE STANLEY CUP :: IT'S ALSO THE YEAR THE CANADIAN FLAG WAS DESIGNED...coincidence?

10-26-2014, 02:46 PM	#12
chucksabr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: In the canyons of your mind Posts: 3,172	I'm sure someone has brought this up, but can any code be written in which if retired=1, aging stops? __________________ The (English) Baseball League (est. 1888): A History The 1932 Season is Underway Dynasty Mission \| Creation Story \| Subscribe 1888 1889 1890 1891 1892 1893 1894 1895 1896 1897 1898 1899 1900 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1907 1908 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 (Great War Hiatus) 1919 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 1928 1929 1930 1931 The OOTP Interview about the Baseball League

10-08-2014, 09:13 PM	#2
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	A guy coaches for 25 years and sets the coaching record. I want to hire a coach and challenge that record. As it stands it's pointless. I can just coach forever.

10-08-2014, 10:32 PM	#4
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,443	Deaths for retired players is a good request. I suggest it should be put into OOTP16, with the following restrictions: 1. If at least 9 years of ML service time, Hall of Fame eligibility expired. If fewer than 9 years of ML service time, at least 10 years since retirement. 2. Not currently a coach for any team in the world, and no pending offers.

10-10-2014, 06:04 PM	#5
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	I'm not so sure about the Hall of Fame restriction in regards to eligibility. I think post-humous entry would be a nice touch, if infrequent.

10-11-2014, 03:49 PM	#8
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	As always...optional.

10-24-2014, 05:38 PM	#10
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Nice idea. Pair that with face-gen freeze at time of retirement and...bam! Every one is happy. Very smart.

11-16-2014, 09:10 AM	#16
professor ape All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The belly of the beast Posts: 1,498	I know that there has been an aversion by the development team to address this morbid topic but it is a part of life and of the game of baseball. You can readily find the current probabilities of death at various ages so you could have a very simple randomizer to determine when a player passes away. Life expectancy should follow real life and be increasing slowly. Again, while morbid, I would add the following toggles: Death (on/off) -Ssome people may not want it at all Active Players - Ability to toggle off the possibility of active players dying Active Coaches/Scouts - Same for coaches Active Owners - Same for owners HOF Eligible - Same for players which are currently eligible for the HOF. If HOF players are set to be able to die while HOF eligible the a "death bump" toggle would be good. It is a real thing IRL. Stories (on/off) - Toggle whether there is a story and/or cause of death provided (morbidity factor). When off there could be a generic note. Regarding the photo conversation, I would have three photo 'slots' for each player. First would be the 'current age' photo which would be used for any active players or coaches. The 'retired' slot would be displayed for any player who is officially retired. My ideal would be to have this be a cached photo of the player when they had their best season. At the end of a season the system would simply check if the player's WAR is greater than past seasons, If 'yes', then the current photo is saved over the previous picture. If 'no' then the previously cached picture persists. Similarly for coaches and other staff, the third slot would cache the picture from the best season they had in their highest position (e.g. a guy who coaches for 15 years on strong teams but manages on year for a weak team would have their managerial picture cached).

11-17-2014, 12:54 AM	#17
Elektranaut Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 361	Players should be allowed to pass on....it must be hell becoming ever more sick and decrepit.In reality death eventually becomes a kind of salvation as the body gradually loses its abiltiy to function normally.These ex pros are condemned to a life of eternal suffering without end.Shameful.

11-17-2014, 01:02 AM	#18
Elektranaut Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 361	One of the few things that annoys me about OOTP are all the facegen inconsistencies...nothing ever gets done about it...for example the mess that is the championship page where winning teams are in a variey of seemingly random shirts.