Trade after deadline?

Saul Goodman · 06-01-2013, 03:04 PM

About a month after the trade deadline came up in my newsfeed that Dodgers and Giants made a trade.

Not really sure the rule on this, but thought there is no trading after the deadline? Or is there a exception to this?

It's a OOTP13 game that I imported to OOTP14 in the middle of the 2020 season for what it's worth.

RchW · 06-01-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Goodman

About a month after the trade deadline came up in my newsfeed that Dodgers and Giants made a trade.

Not really sure the rule on this, but thought there is no trading after the deadline? Or is there a exception to this?

It's a OOTP13 game that I imported to OOTP14 in the middle of the 2020 season for what it's worth.

Post deadline waiver trades have been in MLB for decades it seems. Players are placed on waivers and there is a silent agreement that teams will not generally claim a player. I think a few trades have been blocked but most go through. The Dodgers/Red Sox trade of last season is an ideal example.

What's more shocking in your scenario is the trade within division. I wish OOTP had a sub-routine that made such trades almost impossible.

Fyrestorm3 · 06-01-2013, 03:15 PM

Trades can be made after the deadline if all players involved clear waivers. The game actually informs you of this when you hit the deadline. That's exactly how it works in the MLB, too. Remember this one:

Boston Red Sox send Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford to Los Angeles Dodgers in blockbuster trade - ESPN

EDIT: Beaten to the punch!

BusterKing · 06-01-2013, 04:02 PM

Well I don't think this is allowed in MLB rules:

r0nster · 06-01-2013, 05:36 PM

in real life you can trade within one league without waviers but if you trade from American league to National League then you have waviers issue to deal with. In this game they have you put each player on Waviers no matter which way you go after August 1. Although the game is currently making me wonder perhaps that rule got changed this season. So I will be watching carefully this season in real life.

Painmantle · 06-01-2013, 05:58 PM

Contrary to popular opinion (and ootp Baseball), there is absolutely nothing in MLB rules that forbid players from being traded when they are injured...It's kind of like the unwritten "don't claim this player I want to trade him" rule. While it doesn't happen very often it is perfectly legal

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Well I don't think this is allowed in MLB rules:

r0nster · 06-01-2013, 06:04 PM

I have made two trades dealing with a player that's injured

Fyrestorm3 · 06-01-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

in real life you can trade within one league without waviers but if you trade from American league to National League then you have waviers issue to deal with. In this game they have you put each player on Waviers no matter which way you go after August 1. Although the game is currently making me wonder perhaps that rule got changed this season. So I will be watching carefully this season in real life.

I'm pretty sure that's not true. As far as I can remember, in the modern era, there's never been a difference between trading within or cross leagues. It's no waivers before the deadline, and waivers after.

RchW · 06-01-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Well I don't think this is allowed in MLB rules:

It's allowed in real life but not normally in OOTP. This is a separate issue from the OP but worth discussion in another thread. I wish I could check this out but I can't play v14 due to the no HBP issue.

BusterKing · 06-01-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

It's allowed in real life but not normally in OOTP. This is a separate issue from the OP but worth discussion in another thread. I wish I could check this out but I can't play v14 due to the no HBP issue.

Actually if you read the date of the trade it was made AFTER the trading deadline so it is very much part of the OP.

And none of the players involved were ever placed on waivers prior to the trade.

olivertheorem · 06-01-2013, 09:42 PM

I think he meant the "trading an injured player" part.

Saul Goodman · 06-02-2013, 04:27 AM

So a trade is allowed after the deadline if all the players eligible for waivers clear before trade is completed?

Looked at transactions log, and the major league player was put on waivers a couple of days before trade was completed. But none of the minor league players were, which I assume is because minor leaguers don't have to be exposed to waivers before a certain point (before minor leaguers were 23 years old)

tejdog1 · 06-02-2013, 05:23 AM

You make the trade, both GMs accept it, then the players are automatically placed on waivers, and if they all clear, the trade goes through. That's how OOTP does it.

mgom27 · 06-02-2013, 08:40 AM

Did you change Trade Deadline Date? Also Felix Hernandez would be the only one needing to be placed on Waviers assuming Kyle Zimmer was still in the Minors.

byzeil · 06-02-2013, 11:02 AM

For post trade deadline deal all player on a team's 40-man roster must clear waivers. Players not on the 40-man roster do not have to clear waivers. This is how it works in OOTP and I believe that is the rule IRL.

Since Hernandez was on the 60-day DL, and hence not on the 40-man roster, no waivers were required by the game. I don't know how this is supposed to be done IRL but I highly doubt that MLB would allow it without Hernandez clearing waivers.

I always heard that IRL players on the DL could not be traded but I have no idea if that is actually a rule or just that a team is not going to risk taking on the contract of someone who is hurt.

Questdog · 06-02-2013, 12:17 PM

Injured players can be traded, but require special permission from the commissioner......I believe this is basically to make sure the receiving team knows it is getting damaged goods....in OOTP, I'm not sure if the AI takes status into account....

BusterKing · 06-02-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mgom27

Did you change Trade Deadline Date? Also Felix Hernandez would be the only one needing to be placed on Waviers assuming Kyle Zimmer was still in the Minors.

No, trading deadline was the same, July 31st. never changed anything.

Le Grande Orange · 06-02-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

in real life you can trade within one league without waviers but if you trade from American league to National League then you have waviers issue to deal with.

That hasn't been the case since 1986. Waiver restrictions involving interleague trades were done away with that year, probably, I suspect, as a result of the 1985 CBA. The players were never fond of the interleague waiver restrictions since it meant fewer opportunities for them to shop their services to different clubs.

boshk · 06-03-2013, 06:36 PM

most star players are placed on waivers every year. but you can pull a player off waivers once per season if someone claims them. it was funny last year the media was all in a tizzy when joe mauer was placed on waivers. but it happens every year.

06-01-2013, 03:04 PM	#1
Saul Goodman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 125	Trade after deadline? About a month after the trade deadline came up in my newsfeed that Dodgers and Giants made a trade. Not really sure the rule on this, but thought there is no trading after the deadline? Or is there a exception to this? It's a OOTP13 game that I imported to OOTP14 in the middle of the 2020 season for what it's worth.

06-02-2013, 05:23 AM	#13
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,618	You make the trade, both GMs accept it, then the players are automatically placed on waivers, and if they all clear, the trade goes through. That's how OOTP does it. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

06-02-2013, 08:40 AM	#14
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,520	Did you change Trade Deadline Date? Also Felix Hernandez would be the only one needing to be placed on Waviers assuming Kyle Zimmer was still in the Minors. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

06-03-2013, 06:36 PM	#19
boshk All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 531	most star players are placed on waivers every year. but you can pull a player off waivers once per season if someone claims them. it was funny last year the media was all in a tizzy when joe mauer was placed on waivers. but it happens every year. Last edited by boshk; 06-03-2013 at 06:38 PM.

06-01-2013, 03:15 PM	#3
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	Trades can be made after the deadline if all players involved clear waivers. The game actually informs you of this when you hit the deadline. That's exactly how it works in the MLB, too. Remember this one: Boston Red Sox send Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford to Los Angeles Dodgers in blockbuster trade - ESPN EDIT: Beaten to the punch!

06-01-2013, 04:02 PM	#4
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,369	Well I don't think this is allowed in MLB rules:

06-01-2013, 05:36 PM	#5
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	in real life you can trade within one league without waviers but if you trade from American league to National League then you have waviers issue to deal with. In this game they have you put each player on Waviers no matter which way you go after August 1. Although the game is currently making me wonder perhaps that rule got changed this season. So I will be watching carefully this season in real life.

06-01-2013, 06:04 PM	#7
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	I have made two trades dealing with a player that's injured

06-01-2013, 09:42 PM	#11
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	I think he meant the "trading an injured player" part.

06-02-2013, 04:27 AM	#12
Saul Goodman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 125	So a trade is allowed after the deadline if all the players eligible for waivers clear before trade is completed? Looked at transactions log, and the major league player was put on waivers a couple of days before trade was completed. But none of the minor league players were, which I assume is because minor leaguers don't have to be exposed to waivers before a certain point (before minor leaguers were 23 years old)

06-02-2013, 11:02 AM	#15
byzeil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NJ, US Posts: 2,002	For post trade deadline deal all player on a team's 40-man roster must clear waivers. Players not on the 40-man roster do not have to clear waivers. This is how it works in OOTP and I believe that is the rule IRL. Since Hernandez was on the 60-day DL, and hence not on the 40-man roster, no waivers were required by the game. I don't know how this is supposed to be done IRL but I highly doubt that MLB would allow it without Hernandez clearing waivers. I always heard that IRL players on the DL could not be traded but I have no idea if that is actually a rule or just that a team is not going to risk taking on the contract of someone who is hurt.

06-02-2013, 12:17 PM	#16
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Injured players can be traded, but require special permission from the commissioner......I believe this is basically to make sure the receiving team knows it is getting damaged goods....in OOTP, I'm not sure if the AI takes status into account....