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09-21-2019, 12:48 PM | #21 |
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I think your story is very believable because it's done in similar ways in other games: you basically trade your way up. I've done it myself in Rocket League and CS:GO in the past and have lots of respect for other people doing it.
I'd imagine it's a lot harder in PT though because the player base is a lot smaller resulting in less action on the AH. I definitely plan to do something similar in PT next year, my pack only team was only fun as long as I was able to regularly upgrade my team.
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09-21-2019, 01:11 PM | #22 |
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Sorry i'm skeptical, but there's no way I'm buying that's a FTP... not that you should care anyways
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09-21-2019, 01:26 PM | #23 |
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Well, he offered to have a developer check it. If he is not FTP then he is bluffing because he "knows" for some reason, why the developers would not post one way or the other.
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09-21-2019, 01:40 PM | #24 |
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I think it is a pretty safe bet that the developers would not get involved in this thread one way or another. Unless of course, they are anxious to prove that FTP players can compete in Perfect Leagues without training wheels.
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09-21-2019, 01:50 PM | #25 |
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That's pretty impressive. Definitely having a strategy to take advantage of the underpricing of collections assets is a good and almost obvious way to make PP, if you're willing to put in the time. Getting and flipping huge demand cards like 91 Hank or other similar historical diamonds at huge discounts is pretty obviously a home run, it's just difficult to pull off and needing some serious dedication to do so. But, utimately there are just not a large enough fraction of the already-small active playerbase who has the opportunity to monitor the AH neurotically during day hours, so it's there for you if you're willing and able to put in the time.
The one thing that surprised me here is the net loss of money on collections; surely, someone who is this market savvy has made ~1M PP from all the existing collections value sources, which is absolutely there for the taking. It also seems like there was a huge market fluctuation during the initial release of collections that you took advantage of because of your relative experience in assessing true market value. I think that's the key for F2P: Either have a really intelligent market strategy based on LIVE players (like those players who invested in all the LIVE card fluctuations and made a killing), or historicals (like you've shown here), or have a truly advanced understanding of game mechanics/player performance, or some combination. I disagree that this is a market game first, baseball game second. Maybe for you personally, or for a primarily one-team player, or for those with the ability to monitor the market in that way, but it's just one aspect of the F2P player life. For example, my current strategy is to try to get as many teams to win a PL title as I can as FTP, all with distinct park factor sliders. I don't think historical diamond flipping or collections speculation is necessarily an available option when working on several teams under low-ish time commitment; at some point, under this play objective, you need to know how to build a good baseball team under the constraints of different parks. So the game is what you make of it.
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09-21-2019, 02:12 PM | #26 |
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This is way more believable then "I put in [very little money] and suddenly my team is elite". If you were to spend the last 25 weeks building a team on $0, what he is saying is the only way to do it without relying on pack luck. And the progression looks waaaay more legit than that last $50 guy.
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09-21-2019, 02:45 PM | #27 |
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Ive said multiple times that a "whale" team is possible for free/minimal investment a couple months in with heavy auction house play
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09-21-2019, 02:49 PM | #28 |
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People who are skeptical come from the mindset of checking the auction house just when they get home from work and maybe again before bed. obviously it is not happening that way
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Well, by his own admission, he does have a ton of time to do this. Many of us can’t be on the AH while at work.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to by the net loss on collections. It's definitely been a massive net gain for me. It's just that completing collections obviously locks money away, and the rewards for completing the collections that aren't players I want aren't very large. But like you said, I made an absolute killing on the first wave of collections. I was aggressive about flipping White Sox collection pieces. About the skill of assessing true market value, one thing I learned from other games is that—and, again, this is my perspective—there is no such thing in a game like this as a fair price. There is only what people will pay or will not pay. Sellers grossly underestimate what buyers will pay to get the players they want. I sold two Wilbur Wood cards for almost 70k each. Most people would not have dared to list a gold that high. And you're totally right, the game is what you make of it. I phrased it the way I did to emphasize that if your sole goal is putting together a competitive team, amassing perfect points and playing the market is something you can and ideally should be doing often. But I totally respect however people choose to enjoy this game. Obviously, market stuff is fun for me. That's part of why this has worked out this way.
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What I meant by saying it would be harder for more people to do this was that there is only so much surplus value on the auction house. The more people that are extracting it, the less any one individual person will get. If 100 people did what I did, we'd all make some free PP, but we wouldn't make as much as if a smaller group were extracting that value. That said, and this should be clear, there's plenty more value out there in the market than what I've zeroed in on. It's a matter of coming up with the right strategy for recognizing it and obtaining it.
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This is basic FTP strategy, just on overdrive. My team-building process has been somewhat similar, yet on a MUCH smaller scale and MUCH slower. Unlike you, I never had a real thought-out strategy or even a specific goal. It took me until 2030 just to get past silver level, but then all of a sudden I had enough PP to actually do a little bit of AH card flipping, and now I've been able to steadily complete positive EV missions to re-sell or add to my team.
You know what they say, "you gotta spend money to make money." For an FTP player, the key problem with that is you gotta have money to spend money. That's why the snowball effect is so powerful.
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I sure hope they still have this game when I retire. I keep joking with my gf how I wish I could retire already and just play this game and read all day.
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