There's GOT to be a way to keep uber-whales out of iron-silver, right?

[mcdog512]

My free to play Gutter Cats are in Our League and thus have restrictions. Not having spent a red cent I’m in Gold....I don’t see how you with a pay team can’t get past Silver.

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by Findest2001

I agree. Which is why this is a problem. I have waited 7 weeks and this is week 8 and it is still not solved. Every single week I log in and see this and then go oh well maybe next week it'll be better. And then the next week it's worse not better. It will not stop. This is eight weeks of this we're talking about. Not one week and then problem solved. 2 months of not being able to play the game and have fun because somebody shouldn't be in the league they're in. I know others have this problem too, and I expect this in a game of this sort but 2 months of having no fun because of this is indicative of a problem with seeding. I had issues in 19 but 20 is significantly worse in this regard, not better. There are easily 5x a many whales as there were last year. I saw 1 or 2 in every 10 seasons of pt19. I've gotten them in 8 straight years of 20. There has to be something to stop this from happening in EVERY season. Its really not too much to ask for ONE season of a break from the impossible. at least once in a while I can handle, but come on, who plays a game to be incessantly frustrated for 2 months? I love the game on the whole but I'm pretty much done with pt. Its unbalanced and frustrating more than challenging.

Something isn't adding up unless the team you are talking about is not one of the three in your signature. It's happened seven years yet you say you've been second best every year except one (that would be six years). Yet the team with the most silver playoff appearances is four? Maybe there is either a misunderstanding on my part or a 4th team?

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

My free to play Gutter Cats are in Our League and thus have restrictions. Not having spent a red cent I’m in Gold....I don’t see how you with a pay team can’t get past Silver.

Finally, someone says what many of us are thinking.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by joehart

He was part of the Orcin league and lots of fun to play and compete against. I want to say he won the first championship in the league or one of them.
So even with similar constraints, he was good at what he was doing.

That’s right! I knew I saw him over several seasons and have seen him on the forums...good player!

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by stl jason

yeah, some of the stats are just downright comical.... just queried the RBI stats from last season.... that team had 6 of the top 15 spots, and those 6 players had RBI totals of 185, 185, 180, 170, 162 and 153....

re: the bolded part: You'd think so, right? But I just looked up that team in the current manager standings and he's still in Iron level with 0 playoffs/0 championships and a lifetime record of 761-1021

how do you manage to have 6 players drive in 1035 runs (plus whatever the rest of the team did) and not at minimum make the playoffs, much less promotion to a higher tier? (pitching must be completely abysmal)

If you do a search on Team Runs for all-time, the team has the top two spots (1582 and 1490), and seven of the top 20 seasons ever for runs scored. Must be all iron pitchers to have a win % that low. Wonder what kind of PP it is accumulating with stats like that.

EDIT - There are more than one team with the same game plan, top 50 run scoring teams with losing records in Iron

[Kushiel]

If OL teams can make it to Gold, Diamond, and Perfect(and they are) maybe you should look in the mirror and stop worrying about other teams. Less time looking at them will allow more time to figure out what you need to do.

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by waittilnextyear

If there was only 1 team promoted at this level, I could see the point a bit more. But, the fact is there's 4 teams being promoted and that whale isn't even in the OP's division. It's possible to win the division with a good team, but the OP's team looks to be in 3rd place in its own division of non-whales.

Maybe the takeaway is that the team isn't deserving of promotion just yet?

Im not looking for promotion. Heck if i was to stay in silver indefinitely Id be fine with that assuming some level of parity existed. But it doesn't. Hence, the post.

As far as my frustration for weeks, that is inaccurate. I haven't been frustrated with gameplay for around a month biding my time praying that one day Ill be in a league of silver-caliber teams. That, however, doesn't exist. I'm glad you all are fine with the ways things are set up. That's your opinion and you have a right to it. I disagree. Ootp could be fun. Great concept. Truly. As far a parity is concerned, however, poor execution.

The End. Its not an argument. I'm expressing frustration that anyone would feel in the same circumstances. I hope no other player has to experience this with a game. Sadly I doubt that will happen. But one can hope that Parity is possible.

PS as far as OL I already have 3 teams so I can't just make a team and Start that way, but I do love the silver OL league Im currently in.

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

Finally, someone says what many of us are thinking.

Luck. 400 bucks and 1000 packs and no perfect cards, and the diamonds I get mostly suck. Give me a silver league without a whale and Im playoffs every year. But that doesn't happen, hence this post. I can't control who Im seeded with. Every Monday comes around I can with 95% certainty tell who the champion will be. I'm no Nostradamus so if I can rank then that well then I'm being paired with teams that shouldn't be in silver. I have zero control over that.

I'm glad you were lucky enough to not be seeded with teams 4 levels lower than their ability. I haven't been.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by Findest2001

Luck. 400 bucks and 1000 packs and no perfect cards, and the diamonds I get mostly suck. Give me a silver league without a whale and Im playoffs every year. But that doesn't happen, hence this post. I can't control who Im seeded with. Every Monday comes around I can with 95% certainty tell who the champion will be. I'm no Nostradamus so if I can rank then that well then I'm being paired with teams that shouldn't be in silver. I have zero control over that.

I'm glad you were lucky enough to not be seeded with teams 4 levels lower than their ability. I haven't been.

Dude I'm in Gold spending nothing and with my best pull being Gold Cool Papa Bell. Step one, buy all the cheap good players you can. Only open the occasional pack. Get all the good fielders and hitters that are cheap. That's harder with pitchers but I slowly upgraded them in the AH. I also had a plan and a park to match more or less.

[Goliathus]

Originally Posted by Findest2001

I agree. Which is why this is a problem. I have waited 7 weeks and this is week 8 and it is still not solved. Every single week I log in and see this and then go oh well maybe next week it'll be better. And then the next week it's worse not better. It will not stop. This is eight weeks of this we're talking about. Not one week and then problem solved. 2 months of not being able to play the game and have fun because somebody shouldn't be in the league they're in. I know others have this problem too, and I expect this in a game of this sort but 2 months of having no fun because of this is indicative of a problem with seeding. I had issues in 19 but 20 is significantly worse in this regard, not better. There are easily 5x a many whales as there were last year. I saw 1 or 2 in every 10 seasons of pt19. I've gotten them in 8 straight years of 20. There has to be something to stop this from happening in EVERY season. Its really not too much to ask for ONE season of a break from the impossible. at least once in a while I can handle, but come on, who plays a game to be incessantly frustrated for 2 months? I love the game on the whole but I'm pretty much done with pt. Its unbalanced and frustrating more than challenging.

Well, then this game isn't for you. The nature of a F2P game is that imbalanced pairing will always happen. This is not CS or LoL or Tekken or chess where they have a skill-based pairing system that tries its best to match you to your so-called "silver league" team. And I am ignoring that smurfs can break that system and every system is breakable. Those games also have no pay-to-boost feature, so you can be darn sure the one staying in 1500 ELO in those games are indeed 1500 ELO in skill level, or close to that.

F2P game, by design, will make what you described happened. You know how many times I have been one-shotted by whales in the F2P MMOs out there? More than 100 times. One shot, single click of Q and bam, my character died. I am standing against Thanos and I ain't even a superhero. You either understand that, accept that and keep playing or you don't.

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by Findest2001

Luck. 400 bucks and 1000 packs and no perfect cards, and the diamonds I get mostly suck. Give me a silver league without a whale and Im playoffs every year. But that doesn't happen, hence this post. I can't control who Im seeded with. Every Monday comes around I can with 95% certainty tell who the champion will be. I'm no Nostradamus so if I can rank then that well then I'm being paired with teams that shouldn't be in silver. I have zero control over that.

I'm glad you were lucky enough to not be seeded with teams 4 levels lower than their ability. I haven't been.

Mystery solved. Most people I believe, unless a theme team where they are doing packs only, build first with the AH and go to packs when the players available are no longer desirable either because they don't improve their team or cost too much. With $400, you can be at least a mini-whale in Perfect complaining about the parity in Perfect Leagues.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by <Pion>

Mystery solved. Most people I believe, unless a theme team where they are doing packs only, build first with the AH and go to packs when the players available are no longer desirable either because they don't improve their team or cost too much. With $400, you can be at least a mini-whale in Perfect complaining about the parity in Perfect Leagues.

Yup, I think I spent around $600 but it could be a little less and have 1 Perfect title and 5 playoff appearances.

For $400 you can get one helluva team.

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

Dude I'm in Gold spending nothing and with my best pull being Gold Cool Papa Bell. Step one, buy all the cheap good players you can. Only open the occasional pack. Get all the good fielders and hitters that are cheap. That's harder with pitchers but I slowly upgraded them in the AH. I also had a plan and a park to match more or less.

Congrats on your strategy and the success it has. I'm sure it has been quite rewarding

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by Goliathus

Well, then this game isn't for you. The nature of a F2P game is that imbalanced pairing will always happen. This is not CS or LoL or Tekken or chess where they have a skill-based pairing system that tries its best to match you to your so-called "silver league" team. And I am ignoring that smurfs can break that system and every system is breakable. Those games also have no pay-to-boost feature, so you can be darn sure the one staying in 1500 ELO in those games are indeed 1500 ELO in skill level, or close to that.

F2P game, by design, will make what you described happened. You know how many times I have been one-shotted by whales in the F2P MMOs out there? More than 100 times. One shot, single click of Q and bam, my character died. I am standing against Thanos and I ain't even a superhero. You either understand that, accept that and keep playing or you don't.

Fair enough. I guess I don't. I suppose the game isn't for me. I've had fun the few times I was in competitive leagues. Such a shame that hardly ever happens. Nonetheless you raise a fair point, although I confess I don't know a single reference you made lol. But I'm fairly certain I understand your meaning.

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by <Pion>

Mystery solved. Most people I believe, unless a theme team where they are doing packs only, build first with the AH and go to packs when the players available are no longer desirable either because they don't improve their team or cost too much. With $400, you can be at least a mini-whale in Perfect complaining about the parity in Perfect Leagues.

I only did p2p on my pack only team until about 300 bucks in when I realized a single perfect would never happen. Only then did I abandon the pack only idiotic theme and only collect players. With the math of droprate and the adage of "all cards in the game came from packs" I simply figured if I bought enough packs I could compete. People at launch had to do so. I just didn't realize they spent over 1000 dollars per perfect card until it was far too late for me (I had already invested almost 300 as stated previously). If only I knew then what I know now.*shrug*

[Goliathus]

I think online league might be a better mode for you, albeit it is much slower than PT. But it costs no money and you shape your destiny to a certain extent. It's just impossible to find a competitive league unless you can form a league with 29 like-minded people who agree to the same rules. Random pairing comes with high variance and the best team in silver and the worst team are certainly worlds apart.

[saintofthesinners]

Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

Either spend more money on the game to try and compete with that whale, or get used to the fact that there will be teams like that that are much better than you. Enjoy the game. It's supposed to be fun. If it isn't any more then move on to something else that is.

Kind of a goofy sentiment. Pay more money or leave? Yikes.

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by saintofthesinners

Pay more money or leave?

Not what he said...

Spend Money - or - Get used to other teams being better
Have fun - or - Move on to something that is fun

[joehart]

PT is not a difficult game to understand.

The mechanics are straight forward...improve (via money/better players/better strategy/...) and the equilibrium balances to your favor for a short time. But you will always end up in an equilibrium at one point or another. For some that point is in lower leagues like Iron/Bronze and for others it is at a much higher level.
You control when that equilibrium happens. Invest into the wrong players, set the wrong ballpark, wrong sliders, … and you will reach it much faster.

If you invest $100 today, you can still move to Perfect league over a few weeks time. If you invest nothing, you can also get there...it may just take you a little longer.
Again, for your own health....find a way to enjoy the game. You are not helping yourself or anyone else here by venting every other week about all the things you dislike.

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by joehart

PT is not a difficult game to understand.

The mechanics are straight forward...improve (via money/better players/better strategy/...) and the equilibrium balances to your favor for a short time. But you will always end up in an equilibrium at one point or another. For some that point is in lower leagues like Iron/Bronze and for others it is at a much higher level.
You control when that equilibrium happens. Invest into the wrong players, set the wrong ballpark, wrong sliders, … and you will reach it much faster.

If you invest $100 today, you can still move to Perfect league over a few weeks time. If you invest nothing, you can also get there...it may just take you a little longer.
Again, for your own health....find a way to enjoy the game. You are not helping yourself or anyone else here by venting every other week about all the things you dislike.

Well if my frustration has brought anyone down I truly apologize. Not my intention. Who would've thought the OOTP20 Perfect Team forum isn't the appropriate place to vent about PT2.0.

It's not like I have friends IRL who play this so this is my only outlet for the game.

I guess this board is only for people to say how great the game is all the time or to complain about promotion/relegation for the 9 millionth time or to brag about being ludicrously lucky because If you're unlucky or dissent in any way people get all aggresively territorial about the forums.

If you're frustrated or have a legitimate concern its best if one moves along. Point taken.

PS My post is not directed at anyone in particular. It is an observation about the boards on the whole. I'm am NOT calling anyone in particular out. There are actually some nice people in here. I pray you all have more luck and success than I have in all your endeavors. Good night.