Wanted Pics

[Romultiltus]

Timo "Deutche Eiche / The Body" Hoffmann - 007232
1997-2005
HW (Germany)
33-4-1 (19)

[Romultiltus]

Jeff "Jazzy" Wooden - 006655
1994-1999
HW (USA)

18-8 (11)

[IceTea]

Thanks man!

MJ

[steamboat brand, palooka]

There are only two old heavyweights that I need a photo of badly, to start a White Hope Era heavyweight universe, and which time period I choose depends on which of the following guys photo I find first:
1.TOM McCARTY (if I find him, then I will go with 1910-1915 heavyweights)
2.JEFF MADDEN(if I find him first, I will go with 1912 heavyweights)

Perhaps a way to find Madden's photo would be to check North Adams, Massachusetts library microfilms, on the dates of his fights there, if they have a local paper on microfilm.

[CONN CHRIS]

I would really like to find a photo of Saengmuangnoi Lukchapormasak Boxrec # 008222

a.k.a:

Samson 3K Battery
Samson Dutch Boy Gym
Samson Kratingdaen Gym
Samson Toyota-Thailand
Samson Elite Gym

[Cap]

Originally Posted by steamboat brand, palooka

There are only two old heavyweights that I need a photo of badly, to start a White Hope Era heavyweight universe, and which time period I choose depends on which of the following guys photo I find first:
1.TOM McCARTY (if I find him, then I will go with 1910-1915 heavyweights)
2.JEFF MADDEN(if I find him first, I will go with 1912 heavyweights)

Perhaps a way to find Madden's photo would be to check North Adams, Massachusetts library microfilms, on the dates of his fights there, if they have a local paper on microfilm.

That would certainly be one way. Good luck with that.

Cap

[steamboat brand, palooka]

Hey Cap, That referee thread made me think of refs. Do you have any of BILLY JOH? I focused on just a few referees from the early teens, and he was one, Along with JACK WELSH(I believe he did Johnson-Willard, and the Joe Rivers mess), and BILLY ROCHE.

[Tosti]

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[steamboat brand, palooka]

Here is my tardy Conn Christmas list, Cappa Claus, St. Nickromultiltus, Charger fandeer, and Mistletosti:

Photos: JEFF MADDEN
TOM McCARTY
AL McCLUSKY(McCLOSKY)
FRED BRADLEY
JUMBO WELLS(Jack Hubbard)
BOB"Masked Marvel" WILLIAMS
BILLY JOH(referee)
TOM JONES(Manager)
BILLY McCARNEY(manager)

1911-1913 Fighting weights for:
John Willie(Wille)
Harry Wuest(I guess Wille and Wuest were around 180, at this time)
P.O. Nutty Curran
Fred Bradley
Bob Williams Thanks, Steamboat Brand

[ChargersFan1]

Originally Posted by steamboat brand, palooka

Here is my tardy Conn Christmas list, Cappa Claus, St. Nickromultiltus, Charger fandeer, and Mistletosti:

Photos: JEFF MADDEN
TOM McCARTY
AL McCLUSKY(McCLOSKY)
FRED BRADLEY
JUMBO WELLS(Jack Hubbard)
BOB"Masked Marvel" WILLIAMS
BILLY JOH(referee)
TOM JONES(Manager)
BILLY McCARNEY(manager)

1911-1913 Fighting weights for:
John Willie(Wille)
Harry Wuest(I guess Wille and Wuest were around 180, at this time)
P.O. Nutty Curran
Fred Bradley
Bob Williams Thanks, Steamboat Brand

I have managers Tom Jones and Billy McCarney:

[Tosti]

3K Battery Pandang 150847
Adams Dennis 74132
Adelman Davey
Atillo Golden King 49355
Awadi Omran (043595)
Aziz George 75438
Baker Billy 39926
Barcenas Silvero 55432
Barnabas Ayanda 128427
Barrios Manny
Belardinell Otello 62561
Bellus Johnny
Biagio Chianese
Binney Ed Posted by Conn Chris
Black J.
Bolivar Marcelino 4633
Botha Flywell 97082
Bradley Fred
Briggs Jimmy Posted by Conn Chris
Briones Luis 5394
Brissett Eduardo
Brown Andrew
Brown Ben (The Belter) Posted by Chargersfan
Brown Johnny Posted by Chargersfan
Bryant Derrick Posted by Romultiltus
Cabana Emory
Camacho Josue 5845
Campbell Dave
Card Art
Carter Joe Posted by Conn Chris
Cesari Dominique 53869
Chan Ray Ming 196252
Chartband Kaaj 10379
Chervet Paul 73464
Chockviva Chokchai 7327
Conley Jimmy 64284
Connors John Posted by Conn Chris
Conroy Stockings Posted by Shane
Courtney Peter Posted by Shane
Curran Joe Posted by Shane
Czandi Franz
de Corolis Armando 21977
De Jesus Jose 8095
de la Mata Antonio 103748
De Persio Mario
Del Rosario Tirso
Dhlamini Dexter 98980
Diop Kamara 34087
Diphagwe Strydom 134733
Donovan Barney 83318
Doran Pat
Downey Jack
Duane Carl Posted by Chargersfan
Duffy Paddy Posted by Conn Chris
Dugan Tommy Posted by Chargersfan
Duiker Pillay 669
Ebo Danqua Micael 8725
Egan Dick
Elvaiza Carlos Mario 5346
Esparza Edmundo 11492
Espinola Sixto Vera Posted by Chargersfan
Evans Wally 143641
Farnam Bill Posted by Shane
Farrell Jack Posted by Chargersfan
Fernandez Jorge Jose Posted by Conn Chris
Figueroa Jose 79336
Foslare Mzikayse 150847
Frazier Stacy
Fuentes Luis 108577
Gagnon Fernando Posted by Conn Chris
Girones Jose
Gomez Texas 4794
Gorman Jimmy 121464
Gqola Thandabanta 130450
Gray Ray
Griselle Maurice Posted by Chargersfan
Gutierrez Samuel 184158
Harvey Jim
Hawkins Cleve
Henry Pearce (BKB)
Hernandez Rey 2069
Herrera Juan 44033
Hidayat 65365
Hoffman Timo Posted by Romultiltus
Holdstock Tom
Holtzer Maurice Posted by Chargersfan
Hood Jack Posted by Conn Chris
Joh Billy (referee)
Jones Nate
Jones Tom (manager) posted by Chargersfan
Kelly Sammy Posted by Conn Chris
Kibiti Sithembele Posted by Big Matt
Kilimanjaro Proud 22684
Kim Oh-Kon 5687
King Arthur Posted by Conn Chris
Kirsch Lew
Laing Harry Posted by Shane
Lamason Rey 77339
Lees Tom
Lucas Pretty Boy 8699
Lukchapormasak Saengmuangnoi
Luna Fernando 22004
Madden Jeff
Mahlangu Martin 21632
Malibran Federico Posted by Chargersfan
Malone Orlando Max 5285
Maqolo Wele 3626
Marchand Christian 65893
Marks Jack
Martin Frankie
Martinez Jose 65365
Martinez Oscar 80004
Martinez Silvino
Mata Jorge Posted by Big Matt
McAliister Bob Posted by Conn Chris
McCarney Billy Posted by Chargersfan
McCarty Tom
McCloskey Al
McCormick Jim Posted by Cap
McDonald Art
McGinty Jack 64282
McKinnon Bill
McLaglen Victor Posted by Cap
Melchor Manny 1699
Melendez Hector 52605
Meyers Ray
Mike Sugar Ray 8920
Mills Dave
Mir Amado 108654
Miranda Jaime 51816
Mohini Nivmaetolu [George Mahoni] 36704
Montiel Francisco 3440
Mugabi John Posted by Conn Chris
Murata Eijiro Posted by Conn Chris
Murillo Hermogenes 860
Murray Fighting Billy Posted by Shane
Naranjo Felix 5494
Nekolny Franta
Nene Vuyani 797
Njorage James 106586
Nkate Godfrey 88797
Obregon Marcos 15399
Ohyuthanakorn Putt 34723
Ojeda Edel
Olivera Tony Posted by Conn Chris
Onishi Takeo 1871
Oulden Paul 32310
Pacheco Eduardo 66312
Pereyra Martiniano
Perez Wilfrido Valdez 95051
Pickett J.
Porpaoin Udomdet 116069
Reynolds Steve
Rice Bandsman Posted by Cap
Rico Goyito Posted by Chargersfan
Roche Billy (referee) Posted by Tosti
Rodriguez Ramon 58375
Romero Luis Posted by Conn Chris
Romero Andres Sainz 143318
Ryan Jimmy Possibly Posted?
Schiller William
Schillie Henri
Schneider Hannes 62564
Schoell Frankie Posted by Conn Chris
Schwake John
Sekona Fonomanu - Fijian 28540
Sineko Mawanda 6684
Sjouwerman Herman 17598
Skelly Jack Posted by Big Matt
Smith Gene Posted by Conn Chris
Smith Harry Possibly Posted?
Snyder Angus 10634
Soloman Benny 120313
Sosa Edgar Posted by Chargersfan
Sosa Carlos Reyes 51070
Sosa Luis Amadeo 44755
Squires John Henry 31818
Storebeck Bob 155692
Sullivan Spike Posted by Conn Chris
Tate Billy Possibly Posted?
Tealy Son 129964
Tellez Candido
Toro Alfredo 6104
Tiu Toia
Tubbs Nate Posted by Romultiltus
Vaca Many 22668
Valin Domingo Posted by Chargersfan
van Deuren Pierre
Varguez Javier 1254
Vaughn Punch
Vera Gustavo 7048
Walker Bobby 22710
Wallace Nunc Posted by Chargersfan
Ware Harry 10732
Warren Jimmy (Irish) Posted by Chargersfan
Wells Jumbo
Welsh Jack (referee)
Wiegand Werner 34766
Williams Bob
Williams Jim Possibly Posted? (Sunny Jim)
Williams Oliver
Wilson Charlie
Wooden Jeff Posted by Romultiltus
Wuest Harry Posted by Cap
Yoneda Rikijo - Fairly recent Japanese heavy 202951
Yorfino Joe 173578
Young Ern 117819
Zimmer Dutch
Zollo Bobby
Zoratti Danilo 22881

[bigMatt]

Tom Lees - Australian HW 1884-1899
12-10-5 (9) (42 total bouts)

Not a great pic but definitely him - from a family tree website for Lees family.

[ChargersFan1]

Originally Posted by mh2365

missing from my universe so these would all be late 1800/early 1900 fighters

main division Heavies

J. Black
Dave Campbell
Stockings Conroy
Peter Courtney
Jack Downey
Tommy Dugan
Dick Egan
Bill Farnam
Jim Harvey
Cleve Hawkins
Tom Lees
Jack Marks
Jim McCormick
Bill McKinnon
J. Pickett
Steve Reynolds
Jimmy Ryan
William Schiller
Harry Smith
Billy Tate
Punch Vaughn
Jim Williams
Oliver Williams
Charlie Wilson
Dutch Zimmer

I have a James Ryan that looks like he's a bareknuckler:

[ChargersFan1]

Luis Fuentes, Juan Herrera, Orlando Max Malone, Fonomanu Sekona - the last two I believe are from the missing photos thread:

[steamboat brand, palooka]

Hey Cap, I have questions about two of your photos.
Since iIcan't find Jeff Madden, I was thinking of shortening the list of 1912 White Hope Era heavyweights to 40, rather than 50, which would elkiminate Jeff. I would still want Charley Miller in there, and Tim Logan, as a borderliner, but I am not confident about either photo. Here's why:
1. Charley Miller- You supplied his photo, which by the way puts him in the Al Palzer, Carl Morris, Jim Coffey, even Luther McCarty "Dead Pan big goon freak" category. But with it, you mentioned the photo being from Chicago, circa 1904. The record says he began as a professional in 1908.
2. Tim Logan. You said you're not sure where you found the Logan photo. Is there a very good chance it is him, though?
Cap, I hope you can help me out with these two questions. Thanks for your huge help, so far. Steamboat.

[Cap]

This was found on a website with thousands of pics from a Chicago newspaper. I've seen similar photos elsewhere said to be a Charlie Miller.

[steamboat brand, palooka]

Thanks Cap, for that Charley Miller shot. It looks like the same Charley Miller as the young face shot you posted earlier. Man, I didn't think anyone would ever have a Charley Miller, other than POSSIBLY his own descendants, whoever they are.
Cap, about that second Tim Logan photo, the straight on face pose; is there good reason to think it's him? This Miller shot is great. Charley Miller was a better fighter than Tim Logan, and I couldn't leave him out as easily, though I want Tim Logan too, and even Jeff Madden. New Bedford library didn't have Madden's photo on microfilm. I am hoping a title bout fan lives near North Adams, Mass, where Madden fought, and where his picture might be in a local paper from the time of his fights.(my truck's broken down)

[Cap]

I can't be sure as I didn't see the pic in its source document. I'll use it until a better one comes along.

Cap

[shane6969]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

Tom Lees - Australian HW 1884-1899
12-10-5 (9) (42 total bouts)

Not a great pic but definitely him - from a family tree website for Lees family.

Nice find Matt. It's the first pic I've ever seen of him.

Cheers,

Shane.

[steamboat brand, palooka]

Cap, down in Texas(all my boxing stuff seems to be somewhere else!), I have a great book that is reprinted from the original. It is a very large, not too thick boxing book, from around 1898. Each page is glossy, and on one side is the name of the fighter, and a brief history, with his last fights, and on the whole other half of the page is that fighter in a boxing pose. If I remember correctly, almost all of the fighters were heavyweights. I remember Frank Slavin, Steve O'Donnell, Peter Jackson, Jim Corbett, Peter Maher, Bob Fitzsimmons were all in there, as well as people I've forgotten. If I recall, there about 15 to 20 heavyweights. As you could imagine, I almost fainted when I first saw it at "Recycled Books" in Denton, Texas. It was mine immediately. Do you have a photo of Gus Ruhlin? I don't remember if he was in there.
Well, if I can get Jeff Madden or Tom McCarty I will begin my 1912 heavyweight, or 1910-1915 heavyweight universe, depending. Perhaps a trip to the Berkshires is in order. Madden fought in North Adams, and I believe Westfield. Fred Bradley fought and beat BOTH Bob "Masked Marvel" Williams and Jumbo Wells in Pittsfield, in Bradley's only fights of 1912. I need photos of all four of these characters.