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OOTP 16 - General Discussions Discuss the new 2015 version of Out of the Park Baseball here! |
View Poll Results: Do you play fantasy MLB with Draft Kings or FanDuel? | |||
Draft Kings | 12 | 23.53% | |
FanDuel | 3 | 5.88% | |
Both | 0 | 0% | |
Neither | 36 | 70.59% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll |
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11-18-2015, 03:46 PM | #61 | |
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Pete Rose was not banned for betting. He was banned for betting on baseball. Mays and Mantle were reinstated because they did not bet on baseball itself. George Steinbrenner was also banned for cavorting with a gambler, but was later reinstated, again one assumes because (1) he didn't actually bet on baseball, and (2) he had a boatload of money Every player or whoever who has been found to do something that actually influenced the competition on the field has faced permanent penalty. Otherwise, their banning has been short-lived grandstanding at best. Even back in the day. |
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11-18-2015, 04:01 PM | #62 | |
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I am not arguing for or against, but I am arguing that there is a very clear difference that makes the word "hypocritical" not apply. If gambling is a legal activity, then it makes business sense that baseball would want a cut of money being made off said gambling of people outside of baseball. It's their product. It is completely logical that they would be involved in that kind of revenue stream...again, as long as the product is legal. There is a difference in advocacy here too ... Baseball sells beer at its game, but it is not advocating that everyone should drink and drive home. One could attempt to argue this situation is hypocritical to some degree. But selling beer is not an advocacy of beer or getting drunk. It is filling a legal customer demand. Getting drunk is a personal thing, and individual people will suffer the ramifications of their own actions. I do not consider baseball taking a cut of the gambling revenue that the game creates as tainting its competitive environment. But I would certainly consider it so if baseball were to go soft on any player or member of the establishment who is found to have actually wagered on events that they personally controlled or influenced with regard to the outcome of the competition itself. Ultimately this means that as baseball gets deeper in bed with the institution of gambling, they will need to be ruthless in penalizing baseball people who are found to gamble on baseball itself. On a personal side, as I said before, I prefer that baseball stay separate from the institution of gambling. But I'm enough of a realist to know that's not going to happen with this kind of money flowing. So this line becomes important, for baseball, and for all of the major sports of our time. Last edited by RonCo; 11-18-2015 at 04:23 PM. |
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11-18-2015, 05:00 PM | #63 |
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The house knows when the betting is heavy on a particular player. It would be pretty easy to calculate what player or players could have the most impact on whether the house wins or loses by their absence. Now, who decides whether a player sits or plays? Who pays the decision maker? Who benefits when the house wins?
It's pretty naïve to assume that baseball is benefiting from the profit of these companies while doing nothing to assist with said profit. There is a potential conflict of interest to say the least. Ah, but baseball is pure and wants nothing to do with gambling. This is not gambling anyway... it is a game of skill. Right. Sure it is. |
11-18-2015, 05:01 PM | #64 | |
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And I think they should stay away from gambling in all forms now. P.S. I do not know why Markus opened this topic, but he has never mentioned before in beta or anywhere else that I know of any desire to integrate gambling with OOTP. I think that from the number and strength of responses, he would surely take pause if that was his idea. But I doubt that was his idea.... |
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11-18-2015, 09:06 PM | #65 | |
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11-18-2015, 09:09 PM | #66 |
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Gambling threatens the integrity of the game for obvious reasons that many have already eloquently stated. If daily fantasy websites are eventually ruled illegal across the country (which is the trend at the moment), it's pretty much guaranteed that MLB will end its partnership with those sites for equally obvious reasons.
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11-18-2015, 09:32 PM | #67 | |
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Even so, I think it might be interesting to include in box scores fantasy points akin to a draft kings or fan duel system or user defined system. I don't know what purpose it could serve though other than window dressing.
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11-18-2015, 10:21 PM | #69 |
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I play Draft Kings every weekend. Only Football, small wagers and just friends. I do a head to head and then one with 4 friends. I enjoy it!!!!
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11-19-2015, 07:08 AM | #71 |
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11-19-2015, 10:01 AM | #72 |
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Nor do I, I think the sites will go the way of the Poker sites here in the US. There are strong anti-internet gambling lobbyists in this country (anti-gamblers linked up with para-mutual (Horsey, Dog, and Jai alai) and Native American and corporate casinos)
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11-19-2015, 10:06 AM | #73 |
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No, I do not. But I can see why you'd want to piggyback the potential daily fantasy market. That said, it'd almost be a different game. Not that you need my business perspective, but you'd almost be better off using your mobile game with a spinoff that works for those people.
For a daily fantasy player, I'd want something that was more predictive and better able to get daily roster sets and so forth. That'd be the issue with that, the way it's setup now most people aren't going to put the work in to use OOTP that way..and because it doesn't reflect real life, running say 100 seasons to test who might be good isn't really reflective of reality. That said, it's not a bad thought process. It'd just require you to almost go an entirely different direction with the game to really market it well to that audience.
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11-19-2015, 04:24 PM | #74 |
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No. Although I disagree with making them illegal when we have the lottery peddling tons of money, their commercials piss me off to no end so good riddance.
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11-19-2015, 04:28 PM | #75 |
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11-20-2015, 10:09 AM | #79 |
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No. They're under federal investigation anyways. Deep similarities to gambling on sports. I'm not Hotrod Williams or Pete Rose.
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11-20-2015, 07:45 PM | #80 |
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It would be cool if there was a fantasy baseball site within the game. But alas, One day fantasy football leagues give everyone the chance to draft the biggest stars without any comittment. Not what i signed up for with OOTP. Although FanDuel type leagues in OOTP would make for interesting results.
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