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Old 05-31-2015, 06:00 AM   #21
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Do they still have Abreu?
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:34 AM   #22
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Old 05-31-2015, 07:16 AM   #23
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Can we see the personalities in the BNN page of these players?
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Old 05-31-2015, 10:35 AM   #24
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I mean IMO I think its really simple why the Sox made the trade.

They gave away a average player (too much weight on ratings, ratings are taken into account even when its at 0%) for a stud pitching prospect and a utility prospect.

If more weight was given to stats, the player in question would not be rated that low and the trade wouldn't have went down.

I'm interested to know what was the potential rating of the rookie of the year.

I'd be more concern about why did the other team give away that prospect for that player. My only guess is that the Sox was rebuilding/neutral while the other team was win now/neutral.

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Old 05-31-2015, 10:46 AM   #25
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That's not a 1B I'd want to keep. Good contact/power, but absolutely no eye. He had a good season but I'm sure there are better options, and if you have other needs he's a good guy to sell high on. I'm not a huge fan of pitchers with the highest attribute being control, but it's a smart idea to sell high on that 1B. His value will never be higher.
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Old 05-31-2015, 11:06 AM   #26
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That's not a 1B I'd want to keep. Good contact/power, but absolutely no eye. He had a good season but I'm sure there are better options, and if you have other needs he's a good guy to sell high on. I'm not a huge fan of pitchers with the highest attribute being control, but it's a smart idea to sell high on that 1B. His value will never be higher.
His avoid k is pretty high. He might strike out a lot but he's going to be a tough out.
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Old 05-31-2015, 11:11 AM   #27
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I know we can sit here and question whether Meyers can keep up the pace and if he's an ideal 1B. His ratings etc..

But the big picture and my main point here, is would a GM really trade a rookie coming of that statistical season? Think about it in terms of real life MLB.

Not a chance.

Is it partially my fault based on the AI evaluation settings? Should I change them and have more of the focus on stats?

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Old 05-31-2015, 11:11 AM   #28
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Remember, one season does not define a player. I'd like to see how this pans out at least a few years down the road.

There has been plenty of talk about the Cardinals upgrading at 1B this year and you heard none of that last season when Matt Adams was having a similar season as the player who was traded in this thread.

Meyers value is high at this point in time, might not be so high next year.

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Old 05-31-2015, 11:18 AM   #29
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His avoid k is pretty high. He might strike out a lot but he's going to be a tough out.
Not necessarily a good thing when combined with high contact & low eye - means a lot of DPs. He's fast for a 1B but not fast enough to avoid hitting into a ton of DPs.

Anyway my point was about his low eye, not his avoid K.

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I know we can sit here and question whether Meyers can keep up the pace and if he's an ideal 1B. His ratings etc..

But the big picture and my main point here, is would a GM really trade a rookie coming of that statistical season? Think about it in terms of real life MLB.

Not a chance.

Is it partially my fault based on the AI evaluation settings? Should I change them and have more of the focus on stats?
Are they likely to be traded in the majors? No. But how many of the ROTY guys end up having strong careers? Not all of them. Better to trade a guy a year early then a year late. Keep the PC evaluating on ratings, not on stats. The PC is making a smart move here.

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Old 05-31-2015, 11:31 AM   #30
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Are the White Sox crazy??

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Not necessarily a good thing when combined with high contact & low eye - means a lot of DPs. He's fast for a 1B but not fast enough to avoid hitting into a ton of DPs.

Anyway my point was about his low eye, not his avoid K.



Are they likely to be traded in the majors? No. But how many of the ROTY guys end up having strong careers? Not all of them. Better to trade a guy a year early then a year late. Keep the PC evaluating on ratings, not on stats. The PC is making a smart move here.

Low eye is not all be all of ratings. His contact and power is high enough (along with his high avoid K) for his low eye to not hurt him as much as a guy with a much lower contact rating hence why he's hitting over .300. He'd probably be a career .270

I wonder what his average says in the editor.

From the looks of it the OP is probably more concerned with realism rather than the AI predicting the future and dumping a player a year early. In my experience with the game these type of seasons aren't flukes for a player without all around pretty ratings.

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Old 05-31-2015, 03:19 PM   #31
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maybe they thought they were selling high on the guy? what was his BABIP? its all a game of asset management and if they thought his value was at its peak it would make sense to pull the trigger. Crazier things have happened.
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Old 05-31-2015, 03:28 PM   #32
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At those evaluation settings, you are valuing the player's ratings for 40% of the rating, and only 30% on the great statistical season he just had.

That pitching prospect has some amazing potential ratings.

I don't think you are having the AI evaluate the stats enough in its calculations... and I don't think it gives a rip about the awards, strictly the numbers it is presented with.
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Old 05-31-2015, 04:14 PM   #33
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Low eye is not all be all of ratings. His contact and power is high enough (along with his high avoid K) for his low eye to not hurt him as much as a guy with a much lower contact rating hence why he's hitting over .300. He'd probably be a career .270
I never said he'd fail to hit for average or that his lack of eye would make him regress/suck. I just said that I personally do not like low eye players, especially from a position like 1B which is entirely based around his bat. I would sell high on contact/power no eye bats, and keep looking until I find a guy who is successful at all 3 skills.
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:16 PM   #35
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Low eye is not all be all of ratings. His contact and power is high enough (along with his high avoid K) for his low eye to not hurt him as much as a guy with a much lower contact rating hence why he's hitting over .300. He'd probably be a career .270

I wonder what his average says in the editor.

From the looks of it the OP is probably more concerned with realism rather than the AI predicting the future and dumping a player a year early. In my experience with the game these type of seasons aren't flukes for a player without all around pretty ratings.

Out of curiosity what AI Eval settings do you use?
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:38 PM   #36
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Out of curiosity what AI Eval settings do you use?

Either 25/25/25/25 or 0/50/25/25.

I've been using 0/50/25/25 lately since amateur stats doesn't seem to carry too much value in this year's version. With the same setting in older versions I was seeing too many draft picks make their MLB debut the same year they were drafted.
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Old 06-01-2015, 08:05 AM   #37
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If you want the AI to act more like a real life GM you need to lower their reliance on ratings, plain and simple. I usually go somewhere in the 10%-15% range. Your settings are only giving the great season in question 30% of the consideration.

I like something like 10-50-30-10 for a more realistic AI.

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Old 06-01-2015, 08:43 AM   #38
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If you want the AI to act more like a real life GM you need to lower their reliance on ratings, plain and simple. I usually go somewhere in the 10%-15% range. Your settings are only giving the great season in question 30% of the consideration.

I like something like 10-50-30-10 for a more realistic AI.
The game is based on ratings though.. one good season does NOT make a great player. I believe there is a reason the default settings are something like 65/20/10/5. I use 50/30/15/5 and so far nothing has grabbed me as odd via waivers or trades.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions based off one trade. I still believe we need to revisit this trade a few years down the road.
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Old 06-01-2015, 12:25 PM   #39
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I just had a relatively similar situation getting ready for "2016", where the Padres traded Wil Myers (big star, just 25) to Seattle for Chris Taylor (better SS than what they had) and Alex Jackson (stud OF prospect). It's hard to imagine players of Myers's caliber getting traded as they're just going into their prime, but it happens. Heck, it's happened to Myers himself twice, IRL. (Going from KC to TB, and then to SD.)

As annoying as it must be for the San Diego fans to imagine the team folding its cards for a couple of years (and they can't have been thrilled at watching management let Ian Kennedy walk after a 12-3 season in 2015, either), it does make long-term sense. They added a useful piece and reposition themselves for when Jackson is ready, which will be right when Myers is probably demanding $30 million/year or so. And the White Sox, in your fictional world, seem to be doing the same sort of thing. I wouldn't worry about it; they just are looking at their "window" for contention being a couple of years down the road, rather than right now.

(The Padres' cosmetic rental of Dexter Fowler [1 year, $8.9 million] is a little more dubious, but I guess they don't want the season ticket base to completely erode while they're waiting on Jackson…)
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The game is based on ratings though.. one good season does NOT make a great player. I believe there is a reason the default settings are something like 65/20/10/5. I use 50/30/15/5 and so far nothing has grabbed me as odd via waivers or trades.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions based off one trade. I still believe we need to revisit this trade a few years down the road.
The MLB quickstart evaluation settings are like that because the volunteers who put the quickstart together preferred it that way. I wouldn't take it to be any kind of official judgment about the "best" settings (though I think there may be something to the idea that the quickstart settings discourage more dramatic player shuffling in the first year of the game).

For what it's worth, the default fictional league settings are something like 30/50/15/5, which I prefer.
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