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12-31-2013, 04:38 PM | #1 |
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Fix Compensation FA
Right now v14 doesn't replicate the new CBA FA rules properly.
The module should be revised to use the correct terminology of qualifying offer vs the current arbitration check box. This is very confusing for less experienced players. OOTP still seems to be using some evaluation of FA where some eligible players are declared non-compensation. See the screenshot below. Wayne Kelch like the other two players was on my team the entire year so clearly meets the requirements. I can think of two wrong reasons he was made non-compensation.
Edit; I just realized that the MR Stewart should also be eligible under the new rules. In this case as in real life I would never have offered him a QO because his value lies in the $2-$4 million range.
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12-31-2013, 07:39 PM | #2 |
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I can't remember any of my free agents being eligible for compensation. However I do remember coming to the draft and having no first round pick, so a free agent I signed must have been eligible. I've also never seen a player take the arbitration offer so I don't even bother anymore. If they are going into free agency I either resign them before or just let them go.
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01-02-2014, 01:33 AM | #3 |
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Didn't post it here, but I did send the OOTP staff a pretty long email about this, detailing these exact problems, so I'm 99.9999% sure they're aware of it. Even included the appropriate rules from the CBA itself to prove my point.
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If you'll do so, I'll add it to the official bug/feature reporting tool as well as posting on the beta forums so that they'll certainly see it. Whether they fix it or not is another story At least we'll have done all we can Last edited by Lukas Berger; 01-02-2014 at 01:56 AM. |
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01-02-2014, 10:21 AM | #5 | |
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01-02-2014, 04:47 PM | #6 |
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A related issue is how the amount of the qualifying offer should be determined. In real life, it's based on the 40-man rosters as of Aug. 31st, taking the average of the highest-paid 125 players. The question for OOTP is how that should scale for leagues of other sizes, since the MLB value is for a 30-team league and 40-man rosters - the average of the top 125 players wouldn't make much sense for a league with only 16 teams, for example.
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01-02-2014, 05:35 PM | #7 | |
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With 30 teams, 42-ish players under ML contracts, after 60-day DLs are added, you probably have around 1,260 players. Top 125 = 9.9206% of league. So, I'd take the average of the top 10% of players. The important question is do you use AAV or individual season salaries? |
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That then yields the following: 25 players per team times 30 teams equals 750 players. 125 divided by 750 equals .167, or one-sixth. That would mean the scaling is the average salary of the highest paid one-sixth of players. So, for example, a 16-team league with 24-man active rosters would use the average of the 64 highest-paid players (16*24=384; one-sixth of that is 64). A 24-team league with 25-man active rosters would use the average of the 100 highest-paid players (24*25=600; one-sixth of that is 100). If I recall correctly the CBA specifies the actual salary paid out in that season; the only time the average annual value is used is for luxury tax calculations. But I'd have to double-check that. |
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01-03-2014, 01:09 AM | #9 |
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*: If you wanted to be super accurate, you'd also need to factor in players who are currently in the minors after being waived + DFA'd off the 40-man roster, as those players still draw their major league salary until the contract expires. I know it's being nitpicky, but we have to pay attention to the details when we make suggestions like this, because otherwise we might end up with glaring holes like the draft pick compensation issue we have currently. |
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My suggestion was for determining the baseline number which will be averaged. In terms of the players eligible to be actually counted within that baseline number, that would be as per real life: the players on the active roster, the secondary roster, the disabled lists, and those players released during the season. |
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01-03-2014, 08:43 AM | #13 | |
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I'm really interested in how the game determines who is compensation eligible and who is not, and I think this definitely needs to be explained by someone who knows what the problem is. |
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01-03-2014, 11:07 AM | #14 | |
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Edit, to include notes: Hafner, Adams (who was on the bench for the entire season, as seen by the 17 ABs), Granderson, Chamberlain and Teixeira were all edited. All other players had their ratings left unaltered. Contract modifications to force extra players to become free agency eligible were performed, as well as altering Hughes' salary to 17.5M, to bring it closer to Sabathia's, but these did not have any observable impact on players' value for the comp system, as seen by Hughes posting a better season than Sabathia, yet not being compensation eligible. Last edited by blasek0; 01-03-2014 at 12:39 PM. |
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01-03-2014, 12:28 PM | #16 |
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The point is that the game AI should not be doing any evaluation. Under the new CBA rule all FA that have played a complete season ie not traded waived etc with one team are eligible to receive a QO before free agency. The concept of compensation eligible does not exist except for the one team rule described above.
I don't even care about how the QO is calculated. Just give me the opportunity to make QO's or not, to any all or none of my pending FA. Can we agree it's broken and needs to be fixed?
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But trying to figure out how exactly it's broken is still interesting to me. Plus, providing evidence might make it easier for them to fix, and ensure it works more accurately in the future. |
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