FaceGen Hair

Mr. Baseball · 12-23-2013, 11:29 PM

I've suggest that OOTP buy the FaceGen Hair mod for years, but my suggestion always gets shot down because it's costly. Why can't the game just accept donations to pay for the hair modification? I'm sure you can find enough people willing to invest $5 to get this feature.

It would add a lot imo.

It exists, we just haven't invested in it yet.

Honorable_Pawn · 12-27-2013, 08:37 AM

100% agree. Out of all of the suggestions we get each year this seems like it would be the easiest and most obvious.

Bump.

dcpcarmona · 12-27-2013, 09:58 AM

hey I would kick in $5 no problem!

rpriske · 12-27-2013, 10:46 AM

I would just like to see more facial hair options.

Give Brian Wilson his whiskers!

endgame · 12-27-2013, 11:12 AM

Agreed. I'd like to know what real $ amount we're talking about here, as well as how easily it could be implemented in the OOTP environment. Would be a great addition, and I concur, I can't see an issue with any lack of financial support from users.

Cryomaniac · 12-27-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Agreed. I'd like to know what real $ amount we're talking about here, as well as how easily it could be implemented in the OOTP environment.

I don't know for sure, but it could easily be in the order of $15k if not as much as $50k or even more for a commercial license.

Lukas Berger · 12-27-2013, 12:22 PM

The other problem is that there just aren't that many hair styles in the FaceGen hair pack.

Nothing like what we'd need/want to have even a fraction of all the styles that would be needed, even just for the hairstyles of real MLB players.

Given the few styles and likely high price I find it hard to believe that buying the license would actually be a good investment.

The Game · 12-27-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I don't know for sure, but it could easily be in the order of $15k if not as much as $50k or even more for a commercial license.

$995 is what I see for a Re-distribution license.Singular Inversions - FaceGen Re-Distribution License I can't find the various facial hair options one can add, but even just having elf ears Singular Inversions - Additional Model Sets
and long hair would be nice. Singular Inversions - Additional Hair Models
Also looks like I might be able to do Ewoks, Bothans & Wookies with the full version. Singular Inversions - FaceGen Customizer

Honorable_Pawn · 12-27-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I don't know for sure, but it could easily be in the order of $15k if not as much as $50k or even more for a commercial license.

For which license?

Honorable_Pawn · 12-27-2013, 03:03 PM

Qestion:

Bobble's mod works on top of "Face Gen" so why wouldn't something similar work with hair?

chucksabr · 12-27-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

$995 is what I see for a Re-distribution license.Singular Inversions - FaceGen Re-Distribution License I can't find the various facial hair options one can add, but even just having elf ears Singular Inversions - Additional Model Sets
and long hair would be nice. Singular Inversions - Additional Hair Models
Also looks like I might be able to do Ewoks, Bothans & Wookies with the full version. Singular Inversions - FaceGen Customizer

If it's really $995, and they sell 100,000 copies of OOTP 15, that works out to less than a penny per game.

Mr. Baseball · 12-27-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chucksabr

If it's really $995, and they sell 100,000 copies of OOTP 15, that works out to less than a penny per game.

Do they really sell that many copies?

Honorable_Pawn · 12-27-2013, 04:38 PM

I have no idea how many copies are sold but this game was pretty much only sold at this website. There are currently 27K members here with roughly 5K active. My estimate is that the active members fairly represent current version purchasers.

Assuming 33% of people who buy the game sign up for the forums that means there are 15K purchases a year. Now back out hockey and boxing only guys. Say 10%.

That translates to about 12.5K purchases a year. No way is it anywhere near 100,000. I'd say that my estimate of 12.5K is high too. I bet it closer to about 8K a year.

Cryomaniac · 12-27-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

$995 is what I see for a Re-distribution license.Singular Inversions - FaceGen Re-Distribution License I can't find the various facial hair options one can add, but even just having elf ears Singular Inversions - Additional Model Sets
and long hair would be nice. Singular Inversions - Additional Hair Models
Also looks like I might be able to do Ewoks, Bothans & Wookies with the full version. Singular Inversions - FaceGen Customizer

Interesting, that's pretty cheap then.

Mr. Baseball · 12-27-2013, 06:51 PM

I highly doubt 1/3 of the buyers of this game register for the forums. I'd estimate between 20 and 25 thousand copies are sold per version.

Honorable_Pawn · 12-27-2013, 07:43 PM

I will derail then "rerail".

I know that a small precentage of users actually sign up for forums on most games but for some reason I thought this one would be much higher.

I say your estimate is as good as mine if not better. In any event, 100,000, 25,000, or 8,000 the cost of the additional license divided over all copies would be small and could easily be tacked onto the price.

Yes the video game market has an elastic demand curve but if we drill into just the video game market and look at OOTP in realtion to just other games in the video game market then, realtively speaking, the niche market that OOTP represents would mean that the demand curve of OOTP is fairly inelastic.

A small bump in price would not significantly changes sales. The buyers of OOTP will be the buyers of OOTP. Might as well add the hair and bump the price 25 cents.

Mr. Baseball · 12-27-2013, 08:00 PM

Sadly, once again, I still do not believe that OOTP reads our suggestions. I have yet to see evidence of it. The amount of extremely popular and easy to implement suggestions that never reach the game is astounding...how long have we been asking for more custom awards for instance? A long ass time. That would probably take less than an hour to add to the game if OOTP actually made an effort.

If any member of the OOTP staff wants to prove me wrong, say something.

Lukas Berger · 12-27-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

Sadly, once again, I still do not believe that OOTP reads our suggestions. I have yet to see evidence of it. The amount of extremely popular and easy to implement suggestions that never reach the game is astounding...how long have we been asking for more custom awards for instance? A long ass time. That would probably take less than an hour to add to the game if OOTP actually made an effort.

If any member of the OOTP staff wants to prove me wrong, say something.

Not a member of the OOTP staff, but as a beta team member I can assure you that that isn't the case.

There are a great deal of improvements made to OOTP that come from suggestions on the forums.

That doesn't mean that all suggestions are implemented, or even most, realistically how could they be? That's true for suggestions from the beta team as well, each of us have (many) cherished ideas that haven't yet made it into OOTP.

Still, many of the recent improvements to OOTP have indeed been inspired by forum suggestions and I have no doubt that many more will be in the future.

Take a look back at say, OOTP10 then compare it to OOTP14. It's like they're two different games, there have been so many improvements. Most of those improvements that have been made in the interim were originally suggested right here on the forums.

I will add from experience that it's not really a good idea to make assumptions on how long it would or wouldn't take to code something.

It seems that frequently things that seem simple to us get derailed at some point because Markus states that the coding would be prohibitively long/difficult. While sometimes things that seem to me likely to be complicated to code are quickly and easily added.

The Game · 12-27-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

Sadly, once again, I still do not believe that OOTP reads our suggestions. I have yet to see evidence of it. The amount of extremely popular and easy to implement suggestions that never reach the game is astounding...how long have we been asking for more custom awards for instance? A long ass time. That would probably take less than an hour to add to the game if OOTP actually made an effort.

If any member of the OOTP staff wants to prove me wrong, say something.

Markus may not read mine or yours but I have seen Markus implement suggestions from the more promint members. Besides the 2 people you need to get to listen to you to get stuff in the game are Lukasberger & Cody(Gumby). Lukas seems to have more to do with rosters and Cody gameplay.
Get on the 15 Beta team they do listen when you are on that.

Lukas Berger · 12-27-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Besides the 2 people you need to get to listen to you to get stuff in the game are Lukasberger...Lukas seems to have more to do with rosters and Cody gameplay.

Good lord, I wish that was true. I think I've had maybe one major suggestion make it into the game so far.

If only it was true though, OOTP 15 would be the single finest game ever made

12-23-2013, 11:29 PM	#1
Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	FaceGen Hair I've suggest that OOTP buy the FaceGen Hair mod for years, but my suggestion always gets shot down because it's costly. Why can't the game just accept donations to pay for the hair modification? I'm sure you can find enough people willing to invest $5 to get this feature. It would add a lot imo. It exists, we just haven't invested in it yet. __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions!

12-27-2013, 08:37 AM	#2
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	100% agree. Out of all of the suggestions we get each year this seems like it would be the easiest and most obvious. Bump. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

12-27-2013, 09:58 AM	#3
dcpcarmona All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: at the New Moon Posts: 1,644	hey I would kick in $5 no problem! __________________ "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

12-27-2013, 11:12 AM	#5
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	Agreed. I'd like to know what real $ amount we're talking about here, as well as how easily it could be implemented in the OOTP environment. Would be a great addition, and I concur, I can't see an issue with any lack of financial support from users. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

12-27-2013, 03:03 PM	#10
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Qestion: Bobble's mod works on top of "Face Gen" so why wouldn't something similar work with hair? __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

12-27-2013, 10:46 AM	#4
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 23,986 Blog Entries: 1	I would just like to see more facial hair options. Give Brian Wilson his whiskers!

12-27-2013, 12:22 PM	#7
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 19,896	The other problem is that there just aren't that many hair styles in the FaceGen hair pack. Nothing like what we'd need/want to have even a fraction of all the styles that would be needed, even just for the hairstyles of real MLB players. Given the few styles and likely high price I find it hard to believe that buying the license would actually be a good investment.

12-27-2013, 04:38 PM	#13
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	I have no idea how many copies are sold but this game was pretty much only sold at this website. There are currently 27K members here with roughly 5K active. My estimate is that the active members fairly represent current version purchasers. Assuming 33% of people who buy the game sign up for the forums that means there are 15K purchases a year. Now back out hockey and boxing only guys. Say 10%. That translates to about 12.5K purchases a year. No way is it anywhere near 100,000. I'd say that my estimate of 12.5K is high too. I bet it closer to about 8K a year. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

12-27-2013, 06:51 PM	#15
Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	I highly doubt 1/3 of the buyers of this game register for the forums. I'd estimate between 20 and 25 thousand copies are sold per version. __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions!

12-27-2013, 07:43 PM	#16
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	I will derail then "rerail". I know that a small precentage of users actually sign up for forums on most games but for some reason I thought this one would be much higher. I say your estimate is as good as mine if not better. In any event, 100,000, 25,000, or 8,000 the cost of the additional license divided over all copies would be small and could easily be tacked onto the price. Yes the video game market has an elastic demand curve but if we drill into just the video game market and look at OOTP in realtion to just other games in the video game market then, realtively speaking, the niche market that OOTP represents would mean that the demand curve of OOTP is fairly inelastic. A small bump in price would not significantly changes sales. The buyers of OOTP will be the buyers of OOTP. Might as well add the hair and bump the price 25 cents. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

12-27-2013, 08:00 PM	#17
Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	Sadly, once again, I still do not believe that OOTP reads our suggestions. I have yet to see evidence of it. The amount of extremely popular and easy to implement suggestions that never reach the game is astounding...how long have we been asking for more custom awards for instance? A long ass time. That would probably take less than an hour to add to the game if OOTP actually made an effort. If any member of the OOTP staff wants to prove me wrong, say something. __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions! Last edited by Mr. Baseball; 12-27-2013 at 08:02 PM.