Trade AI Build 12

yzerwing · 04-04-2013, 01:29 AM

This definitely needs some attention as I am sure many are aware. Playing as the Sabres, tried trading the following:

To Detroit:
Ryan Miller
Mike Weber
Patrick Kaleta
Every draft pick I own (Which includes 4 1st rnders, 6 2nd rnders)

To Buffalo:
Petr Mrazek
Brendan Smith
Tomas Tatar

And it comes back no way, You're kidding right?

Tried it without adding Tatar and still same thing. Seems like a Detroit steal to me!

Edit* Also noticed after editing Ryan Miller, to a higher reputation (90), he now was using his no trade clause, where before it was never mentioned)

1st and 2nd rnders seem to have really no value to them at all, as I can select a 2 star player and offer 3 1st rnders and it comes back they likely won't be willing to take it.

CalgaryCannons · 04-04-2013, 11:54 AM

I haven't tried the latest build yet, but the last one seemed like there was some logic in it that made teams unwilling to accept more assets in a trade than they were giving up. So they would do a 1 for 1 trade without a problem but rarely would take 2 or 3 players/picks for 1. I'm guessing this was meant to avoid the exploit of giving up a bunch of scrubs for one star or trading all of your late round picks for an early round one. It certainly makes some sense when players are involved since there is an opportunity cost involved in that each additional player takes up a roster spot and takes ice time away from some other player, but shouldn't apply to draft picks or player rights.

You might actually have more luck in that trade if you remove a bunch of the draft picks from your side.

Aliean · 04-04-2013, 12:45 PM

ive tried it aswell detroits jonathan ericsson for buffalos tyler ennis but got a no and i even tried with a 1 round pick and then they told me that it was a worse trade then before

SushamiBoy · 04-04-2013, 03:39 PM

Yeah there seems to be an issue that by lower the value of the low picks like 4-7th rounders, that they removed the value of 1-3rd rounders. Teams are complaining when I ADD a 1st rounder. This makes no sense and makes the trading in the game worthless. I hope this gets fixed really soon. A first rounder should have excellent value.

yzerwing · 04-04-2013, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalgaryCannons

I haven't tried the latest build yet, but the last one seemed like there was some logic in it that made teams unwilling to accept more assets in a trade than they were giving up. So they would do a 1 for 1 trade without a problem but rarely would take 2 or 3 players/picks for 1. I'm guessing this was meant to avoid the exploit of giving up a bunch of scrubs for one star or trading all of your late round picks for an early round one. It certainly makes some sense when players are involved since there is an opportunity cost involved in that each additional player takes up a roster spot and takes ice time away from some other player, but shouldn't apply to draft picks or player rights.

You might actually have more luck in that trade if you remove a bunch of the draft picks from your side.

Yeah I tried many different variations of the trade, but none worked, with or without the draft picks. It would do, Mrazek for Miller, which would have been unfair, soon as I add someone else, it wouldn't go for it.

Sebmono · 04-05-2013, 10:19 AM

These comments make sense given the behavior I've been seeing as well, a greater number of assets seems to make a trade impossible. While this is obviously silly (especially in the case of adding a 1st rounder making a trade LESS appealing), I'm guessing that it was more of a quick fix to prevent gaming the system, as mentioned prior.

One thing that I think would help overall is if/when the trade AI gets to the point where it gives better feedback to your offers, in terms of what's wrong with the offer (i.e. salary concerns) and what would make it better, and also makes complete counteroffers of its own. Right now it's too much like speaking to a wall and lacks any actual negotiation (this is also a problem for me with renewing expiring contracts of my team members, salary demands are pretty much static and contract years demands are completely inflexible).

mgom27 · 04-07-2013, 11:26 AM

Also no Trades happening at Draft or Free Agent Period,in Preseason Starts when you start a Game for like the NHL.
Also if you know your going to lose like Jay Bouwmeester to Free-Agent then put him on the Block before Free-Agency starts like my team the Blues meaning Brad Shaw didn't try and Trade him and Brian Elliot after when the Stanley Cup because could have gotten a whole lot in return for them so the team can get something in return for him or make him Type A Free Agent so if another Team signs him has to give Draft Picks to his former Team. Also Brad Shaw doesn't made any Trades for my team and already in 2014.

Skip2mylou232 · 04-11-2013, 04:39 PM

just another quick thing I think the ai is still valuing low round picks too much, playing through a season right now and pittsburgh traded kris letang to boston for ryan button (1 star player, 1.5 star potential) and a 6th round pick. pretty sure if that happened in real life Ray Shero would not be safe in Pittrburgh lol

yzerwing · 04-11-2013, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip2mylou232

just another quick thing I think the ai is still valuing low round picks too much, playing through a season right now and Pittsburgh traded Kris Letang to Boston for Ryan button (1 star player, 1.5 star potential) and a 6th round pick. pretty sure if that happened in real life Ray Shero would not be safe in Pittsburgh lol

Maybe for the computer, the draft picks are worth something, but not when you try using them.

jbsnadb · 04-15-2013, 07:33 AM

I have found the same issues. The challenge I am having is that it is almost immpossible to tell what the AI would prefer to make a deal work.

There should be counteroffers, and not just "this won't work."

Also, in the AHL, I've found the AI sometimes does not even respond to trades.

jbsnadb · 04-15-2013, 08:51 PM

Updating my earlier post. AI does not respond at all to trade proposals on the AHL level.

sprackman · 04-21-2013, 12:17 AM

Build 9 valued the draft picks way too high and now Build 12 values the picks way too low...trading is extremely difficult and really makes the sim very boring. I expect by the end of all the up dates this will sort itself out but now I am not enjoying the game as much. Looking forward to a new update...

echri · 04-24-2013, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip2mylou232

just another quick thing I think the ai is still valuing low round picks too much, playing through a season right now and pittsburgh traded kris letang to boston for ryan button (1 star player, 1.5 star potential) and a 6th round pick. pretty sure if that happened in real life Ray Shero would not be safe in Pittrburgh lol

I've also noticed that this seems to happen a lot in my game between the AI teams. 4 or 5-star players get traded for 1-1,5 star players + low round draft pick. For example Claude Giroux got traded for Colton Orr and a 6th round pick

In general it seems too many good players with a "large contract" gets put on the trade-block and traded as a cap-dump.

jbsnadb · 04-24-2013, 08:13 PM

Unless it's user initiated. I was very unsuccessful in dumping salaries at the trading deadline.

04-04-2013, 01:29 AM	#1
yzerwing All Star Starter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ontario/Canada Posts: 1,906	Trade AI Build 12 This definitely needs some attention as I am sure many are aware. Playing as the Sabres, tried trading the following: To Detroit: Ryan Miller Mike Weber Patrick Kaleta Every draft pick I own (Which includes 4 1st rnders, 6 2nd rnders) To Buffalo: Petr Mrazek Brendan Smith Tomas Tatar And it comes back no way, You're kidding right? Tried it without adding Tatar and still same thing. Seems like a Detroit steal to me! Edit* Also noticed after editing Ryan Miller, to a higher reputation (90), he now was using his no trade clause, where before it was never mentioned) 1st and 2nd rnders seem to have really no value to them at all, as I can select a 2 star player and offer 3 1st rnders and it comes back they likely won't be willing to take it. __________________ Last edited by yzerwing; 04-04-2013 at 02:06 AM.

04-07-2013, 11:26 AM	#7
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,520	Also no Trades happening at Draft or Free Agent Period,in Preseason Starts when you start a Game for like the NHL. Also if you know your going to lose like Jay Bouwmeester to Free-Agent then put him on the Block before Free-Agency starts like my team the Blues meaning Brad Shaw didn't try and Trade him and Brian Elliot after when the Stanley Cup because could have gotten a whole lot in return for them so the team can get something in return for him or make him Type A Free Agent so if another Team signs him has to give Draft Picks to his former Team. Also Brad Shaw doesn't made any Trades for my team and already in 2014. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! Last edited by mgom27; 04-07-2013 at 11:32 AM.

04-15-2013, 07:33 AM	#10
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	I have found the same issues. The challenge I am having is that it is almost immpossible to tell what the AI would prefer to make a deal work. There should be counteroffers, and not just "this won't work." Also, in the AHL, I've found the AI sometimes does not even respond to trades. __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."

04-15-2013, 08:51 PM	#11
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	Updating my earlier post. AI does not respond at all to trade proposals on the AHL level. __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."

04-24-2013, 08:13 PM	#14
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	Unless it's user initiated. I was very unsuccessful in dumping salaries at the trading deadline. __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."

04-04-2013, 11:54 AM	#2
CalgaryCannons Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 89	I haven't tried the latest build yet, but the last one seemed like there was some logic in it that made teams unwilling to accept more assets in a trade than they were giving up. So they would do a 1 for 1 trade without a problem but rarely would take 2 or 3 players/picks for 1. I'm guessing this was meant to avoid the exploit of giving up a bunch of scrubs for one star or trading all of your late round picks for an early round one. It certainly makes some sense when players are involved since there is an opportunity cost involved in that each additional player takes up a roster spot and takes ice time away from some other player, but shouldn't apply to draft picks or player rights. You might actually have more luck in that trade if you remove a bunch of the draft picks from your side.

04-04-2013, 12:45 PM	#3
Aliean Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 138	ive tried it aswell detroits jonathan ericsson for buffalos tyler ennis but got a no and i even tried with a 1 round pick and then they told me that it was a worse trade then before

04-04-2013, 03:39 PM	#4
SushamiBoy Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 200	Yeah there seems to be an issue that by lower the value of the low picks like 4-7th rounders, that they removed the value of 1-3rd rounders. Teams are complaining when I ADD a 1st rounder. This makes no sense and makes the trading in the game worthless. I hope this gets fixed really soon. A first rounder should have excellent value.

04-05-2013, 10:19 AM	#6
Sebmono Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 88	These comments make sense given the behavior I've been seeing as well, a greater number of assets seems to make a trade impossible. While this is obviously silly (especially in the case of adding a 1st rounder making a trade LESS appealing), I'm guessing that it was more of a quick fix to prevent gaming the system, as mentioned prior. One thing that I think would help overall is if/when the trade AI gets to the point where it gives better feedback to your offers, in terms of what's wrong with the offer (i.e. salary concerns) and what would make it better, and also makes complete counteroffers of its own. Right now it's too much like speaking to a wall and lacks any actual negotiation (this is also a problem for me with renewing expiring contracts of my team members, salary demands are pretty much static and contract years demands are completely inflexible).

04-11-2013, 04:39 PM	#8
Skip2mylou232 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 3	just another quick thing I think the ai is still valuing low round picks too much, playing through a season right now and pittsburgh traded kris letang to boston for ryan button (1 star player, 1.5 star potential) and a 6th round pick. pretty sure if that happened in real life Ray Shero would not be safe in Pittrburgh lol

04-21-2013, 12:17 AM	#12
sprackman Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 21	Build 9 valued the draft picks way too high and now Build 12 values the picks way too low...trading is extremely difficult and really makes the sim very boring. I expect by the end of all the up dates this will sort itself out but now I am not enjoying the game as much. Looking forward to a new update...