Hosmer

Airdrop01 · 01-03-2018, 10:36 AM

Okay, so I don’t know if this is or is not true. The milkman (yes, we get our milk from the farm weekly) just told me the Royals signed Hosmer.

Something like 7 and $150,000,000

Statistics don’t support it. Intangibles do. Also, it’s not my money!

Anyone hear this? Or is it just milkman talk down on the farm?

rudel.dietrich · 01-03-2018, 10:37 AM

Seven year $147 million

Leo_The_Lip · 01-03-2018, 10:39 AM

He has not signed, this is simply an offer from the Royals as of now.

Andy · 01-03-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

He has not signed, this is simply an offer from the Royals as of now.

Yep, and the Padres offered 7/140.

actionjackson · 01-03-2018, 04:02 PM

Is there really that much of a difference between Carlos Santana (who got 3 years/$60 million from the Phillies), and Eric Hosmer though? Aside from intangibles of course

(as noted by Airdrop01 above). Ugh. Somebody's gonna lose big on this deal.

Westheim · 01-03-2018, 06:26 PM

Numbers make Westheim dizzy. Westheim must lie down.

Airdrop01 · 01-03-2018, 07:56 PM

I dont know. I don’t care because it’s not my dough.

I’ll say this.... keeping him and keeping trying to win with a newish crop of kids will keep a lot more butts in the seats than will blowing everything up.

Only fools would want to go back to the days where for thirty years I could rattle off the names and stats up to the minute of the top 30 prospects in the organization.

That, and if sabremetrics were the Royals guide, they wouldn’t have won diddly squat. Rip down the two Pennants and the WS banner. I mean, that’s why the Royals in OOTP are garbage, even when they were winning Pennants. Sabremetrics is not the be all end all. I know I’m in the vast minority here on that, but that’s fine. To each his own.

There’s math and there’s baseball. They’re not the same.

I’m surprised at the numbers. But, I don’t care. Because I don’t want more Brandon Mosses, Jason Hammels and middling free agents. I can lose 105 with nobodys. I don’t need has beens or never weres losing 95.

PotatoPeeler · 01-03-2018, 08:48 PM

He put up career numbers in a free agent year. It only makes sense that someone would over pay. It's been happening for decades and it will happen for decades more.

rudel.dietrich · 01-03-2018, 09:15 PM

His agent is asking for 8 or more years. Not following baseball and just looking at him on BB Ref he looks like a strong stay away.

Airdrop01 · 01-03-2018, 09:39 PM

I’ll be honest, I could see the Cardinals getting him. Matt Carpenter could play just about anywhere which means first would be open for Hosmer.

TribeFanInNC · 01-08-2018, 11:43 AM

Decent Fangraphs article portraying what Scott Boras' angle on Hosmer's value probably might sound like:
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wher...t-eric-hosmer/

I don't 100% agree, but the offers kinda match that line of thinking.

Airdrop01 · 01-08-2018, 03:42 PM

Man, those type of articles! I mean, they’re interesting but....

It makes me hate WAR and all that sabremetics malarkey all the more. By that I mean it’s just more data, not some absolute God particle.

If my GM is doing that type of work his office, I want him gone. I can get a college intern to do that.

Again, I know I’m in the minority here, especially.

TribeFanInNC · 01-08-2018, 03:55 PM

I'm not a big fan of translating WAR to $$$. That seems fairly meaningless to me.

Still all silent on the Hosmer front. FA has been slow this year. Not sure if it is the Ohtani effect or just because big revenue teams like the Dodgers and Yankees are trying to stay under the cap.

Westheim · 01-08-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I'm not a big fan of translating WAR to $$$. That seems fairly meaningless to me.

Still all silent on the Hosmer front. FA has been slow this year. Not sure if it is the Ohtani effect or just because big revenue teams like the Dodgers and Yankees are trying to stay under the cap.

I knew that 1 mi = 1.609 km, but I never knew that 1 WAR = $9m ...

Can you even get a proper main battle tank for that price these days? Let alone a whole war...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airdrop01

Man, those type of articles! I mean, they’re interesting but....

It makes me hate WAR and all that sabremetics malarkey all the more. By that I mean it’s just more data, not some absolute God particle.

If my GM is doing that type of work his office, I want him gone. I can get a college intern to do that.

I've never been to college and I can sign players in OOTP without all the sabermetric smokes and mirrors just as well, by using proven stats:

Batting Average

Home Runs

Wins - for starters AND relievers!

Now excuse me, I have to extricate my team from a 12-game losing streak.

rudel.dietrich · 01-08-2018, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airdrop01

Man, those type of articles! I mean, they’re interesting but....

It makes me hate WAR and all that sabremetics malarkey all the more. By that I mean it’s just more data, not some absolute God particle.

If my GM is doing that type of work his office, I want him gone. I can get a college intern to do that.

Again, I know I’m in the minority here, especially.

Sure, just hand out $150 million based on gut instinct and reading of chicken bones.

Airdrop01 · 01-08-2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

reading of chicken bones.

That's what WAR is, bro.

Airdrop01 · 01-08-2018, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by westheim

i knew that 1 mi = 1.609 km, but i never knew that 1 war = $9m ...

Can you even get a proper main battle tank for that price these days? Let alone a whole war...

TheMaus2 · 01-08-2018, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Airdrop01

That's what WAR is, bro.

WAR is the value of a player relative to how the rest of the league performed that year, not just based off of a proverbial reading of tea leaves.

But WAR shouldn't be the one all, end all stat, IMO

rudel.dietrich · 01-08-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Airdrop01

That's what WAR is, bro.

It is a tool. Used in conjunction with lots of other tools you can make educated guesses on where to spend your organizations resources.

It is not an end all and be all of the tools. Simply one of many to help.
In the end it’s still guesswork but you can at least be a little wiser with how you spend.

Jeffy25 · 01-08-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I'm not a big fan of translating WAR to $$$. That seems fairly meaningless to me.

Still all silent on the Hosmer front. FA has been slow this year. Not sure if it is the Ohtani effect or just because big revenue teams like the Dodgers and Yankees are trying to stay under the cap.

Well WAR does a remarkable job of translating actual team wins (or at least run differential), so I don't know why it would be some enemy.

01-03-2018, 10:36 AM	#1
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Hosmer Okay, so I don’t know if this is or is not true. The milkman (yes, we get our milk from the farm weekly) just told me the Royals signed Hosmer. Something like 7 and $150,000,000 Statistics don’t support it. Intangibles do. Also, it’s not my money! Anyone hear this? Or is it just milkman talk down on the farm? __________________ Last edited by Airdrop01; 01-03-2018 at 10:47 AM. Reason: Hear not here!

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Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	I dont know. I don’t care because it’s not my dough. I’ll say this.... keeping him and keeping trying to win with a newish crop of kids will keep a lot more butts in the seats than will blowing everything up. Only fools would want to go back to the days where for thirty years I could rattle off the names and stats up to the minute of the top 30 prospects in the organization. That, and if sabremetrics were the Royals guide, they wouldn’t have won diddly squat. Rip down the two Pennants and the WS banner. I mean, that’s why the Royals in OOTP are garbage, even when they were winning Pennants. Sabremetrics is not the be all end all. I know I’m in the vast minority here on that, but that’s fine. To each his own. There’s math and there’s baseball. They’re not the same. I’m surprised at the numbers. But, I don’t care. Because I don’t want more Brandon Mosses, Jason Hammels and middling free agents. I can lose 105 with nobodys. I don’t need has beens or never weres losing 95. __________________ Last edited by Airdrop01; 01-03-2018 at 07:59 PM.

01-03-2018, 08:48 PM	#8
PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	He put up career numbers in a free agent year. It only makes sense that someone would over pay. It's been happening for decades and it will happen for decades more. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.

01-03-2018, 10:37 AM	#2
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Seven year $147 million

01-03-2018, 04:02 PM	#5
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,123	Is there really that much of a difference between Carlos Santana (who got 3 years/$60 million from the Phillies), and Eric Hosmer though? Aside from intangibles of course (as noted by Airdrop01 above). Ugh. Somebody's gonna lose big on this deal.

01-03-2018, 09:15 PM	#9
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	His agent is asking for 8 or more years. Not following baseball and just looking at him on BB Ref he looks like a strong stay away.

01-03-2018, 09:39 PM	#10
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	I’ll be honest, I could see the Cardinals getting him. Matt Carpenter could play just about anywhere which means first would be open for Hosmer. __________________

01-08-2018, 11:43 AM	#11
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Decent Fangraphs article portraying what Scott Boras' angle on Hosmer's value probably might sound like: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wher...t-eric-hosmer/ I don't 100% agree, but the offers kinda match that line of thinking.

01-08-2018, 03:42 PM	#12
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Man, those type of articles! I mean, they’re interesting but.... It makes me hate WAR and all that sabremetics malarkey all the more. By that I mean it’s just more data, not some absolute God particle. If my GM is doing that type of work his office, I want him gone. I can get a college intern to do that. Again, I know I’m in the minority here, especially. __________________ Last edited by Airdrop01; 01-08-2018 at 03:51 PM.

01-08-2018, 03:55 PM	#13
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	I'm not a big fan of translating WAR to $$$. That seems fairly meaningless to me. Still all silent on the Hosmer front. FA has been slow this year. Not sure if it is the Ohtani effect or just because big revenue teams like the Dodgers and Yankees are trying to stay under the cap.