2017-2018 NBA season - Page 3

TonyJ · 12-08-2017, 06:27 PM

Really, I mean it when I say I think his shot is broken. That's probably the cause of his loss of confidence but it's the root of the entire problem. That's not something that can be fixed during the season though, the Lakers need to hire a shot doctor and have him spend all of next summer doing nothing other than rebuilding his shooting mechanics and even then there's no guarantee that it gets fixed. Because this shooting motion:

may have worked in college, but it ain't gonna fly in the NBA. For one, it's slow as hell but secondly look at how low his release point is. That means he needs a ton of space just to get it off and in the NBA that just isn't going to happen all that much. And right now he's not even hitting his wide open shots and won't draw contact to get to the line. He's a mess and I think the likelihood of him panning out is lower than the likelihood that he's just a bust. I'm rooting for him though.

TribeFanInNC · 12-11-2017, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

He's a mess and I think the likelihood of him panning out is lower than the likelihood that he's just a bust.

Agree his shot is a mess and needs a total rework. But he can still be a good player without a good shot. Heck, his generic comp (Jason Kidd) wasn't really a very good shooter either, at least not until later in his career.

TonyJ · 12-11-2017, 10:21 AM

In his rookie season Kidd shot 39% from the field, 27% from three, and 70% from the line for a TS% of 47%. The relevant numbers for Ball are 32%, 25%, 47%, and 38%. His shot would have to improve a lot to be even as good a shooter as Kidd was.

TribeFanInNC · 12-11-2017, 10:36 AM

Sure, obviously there is no excuse for any professional basketball player to shoot 47% from the free throw line. That's just practice. If he just shot 70% FTs the comp would be closer.

(Yes, we are talkin' about practice...)

Cobra Mgr · 12-11-2017, 12:23 PM

You ask me, he reminds me of Kendall Marshall. Terrific QB for your O, but terrible shooter & defender.

Cobra Mgr · 12-20-2017, 09:44 AM

Magic & Zeke make nice.

rudel.dietrich · 12-20-2017, 10:00 AM

The Rockets are on pace to shatter offensive records. www.otgbasketball.com
has a great article breaking down their first 1/3 of the season.

Of the top 5 offensive teams of all time, they have already shot more 3's than 3 of the top 5.
I consider myself a progressive basketball fan but even I am not fully prepared for a world in which a team attempts 4000 3's over the course of a season.
We are headed towards that if the Rockets make a deep playoff run.
They are on pace as of last nights game to shoot 3542 for this season.

TheMaus2 · 12-20-2017, 10:37 AM

Ever since Lil B removed the curse from Durant and Harden, they've done great things.

TribeFanInNC · 12-20-2017, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I consider myself a progressive basketball fan but even I am not fully prepared for a world in which a team attempts 4000 3's over the course of a season.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't keep doing it. If you can shoot 40% as a team from 3, then you should only not shoot a 3 when you are dunking - which essentially is the only effectively better shot. Houston is clearly on to something with their approach the last couple years. They just needed some better players to execute it.

Dubs still have the ultimate X-factor in that Durant is essentially unguardable. But Houston is legit.

rudel.dietrich · 12-20-2017, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I'm not sure why they wouldn't keep doing it. If you can shoot 40% as a team from 3, then you should only not shoot a 3 when you are dunking - which essentially is the only effectively better shot. Houston is clearly on to something with their approach the last couple years. They just needed some better players to execute it.

Dubs still have the ultimate X-factor in that Durant is essentially unguardable. But Houston is legit.

The NBA is a copy cat league. If the Rockets make the Finals or win the Finals then we will see most every team increase their 3PA more so than they already have.

The Rockets are 13th in 3P% so they are not exactly the most efficient from there but make up for it in volume.
They are however #1 in 2P% despite being near the bottom in attempts.
That is a product of only (for the most part) taking lay ups and dunks and also their sheer 3 point fire power opening up the lane for easy 2 point shots in the paint.

But simply shooting a lot of threes per game is not a recipe for success.
The #2 team in the league by attempts is hardly a top team (but are fun to watch and a team on the rise)

Cobra Mgr · 12-20-2017, 12:16 PM

Of all the crap they could've stole, they took his crapper.

Cobra Mgr · 01-20-2018, 01:15 PM

Thoughts?

rudel.dietrich · 01-23-2018, 03:55 PM

Surprised at the Jason Kidd firing but at the same time not fired.
If that even makes sense...

rudel.dietrich · 01-30-2018, 07:42 AM

I did not see that coming!
In a weird season this was the first thjng that caught me out of nowhere.

Cobra Mgr · 01-30-2018, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I did not see that coming!
In a weird season this was the first thjng that caught me out of nowhere.

Are U talking about the Blake trade?

rudel.dietrich · 01-30-2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Are U talking about the Blake trade?

Yes, I am suprised someone took that contract and injury history.

Cobra Mgr · 01-30-2018, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Yes, I am suprised someone took that contract and injury history.

Me too. I could see a season rental. Despite the fact he is tremendously talented, he is never available for 70 games & is often injured in April-May when he is needed most.

Cobra Mgr · 02-08-2018, 12:34 PM

IT, Frye & Clev 2018 1st rd pick to Lakers for Clarkson & Nance .

rudel.dietrich · 02-08-2018, 01:18 PM

Cleveland has pretty much traded their entire roster for an entirely new roster

But I don't think they will be any better and James is out the door anyways.
Truly rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Cobra Mgr · 02-08-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Cleveland has pretty much traded their entire roster for an entirely new roster

But I don't think they will be any better and James is out the door anyways.
Truly rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

They did get younger though. And I think they also assembled more of a team instead of bunch of former alpha dogs riding James' coattails. The ironic thing is that the Laker trade has given LA enough cap space to sign both PG-13 & LBJ. So to help King James this year, they may have helped LA get him next year.

Wade for a 2nd rd pick

That is used for a 3 way trade that gives the Land George Hill & Rodney Hood, Sactwn Iman Shumpert & Joe Johnson, & Utah Jae Crowder & Derrick Rose.Kings get 3 mil + the pick. Rights to a couple Euro players also switched.

12-08-2017, 06:27 PM	#41
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	Really, I mean it when I say I think his shot is broken. That's probably the cause of his loss of confidence but it's the root of the entire problem. That's not something that can be fixed during the season though, the Lakers need to hire a shot doctor and have him spend all of next summer doing nothing other than rebuilding his shooting mechanics and even then there's no guarantee that it gets fixed. Because this shooting motion: may have worked in college, but it ain't gonna fly in the NBA. For one, it's slow as hell but secondly look at how low his release point is. That means he needs a ton of space just to get it off and in the NBA that just isn't going to happen all that much. And right now he's not even hitting his wide open shots and won't draw contact to get to the line. He's a mess and I think the likelihood of him panning out is lower than the likelihood that he's just a bust. I'm rooting for him though. __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

12-11-2017, 10:21 AM	#43
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	In his rookie season Kidd shot 39% from the field, 27% from three, and 70% from the line for a TS% of 47%. The relevant numbers for Ball are 32%, 25%, 47%, and 38%. His shot would have to improve a lot to be even as good a shooter as Kidd was. __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

12-11-2017, 12:23 PM	#45
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,390	You ask me, he reminds me of Kendall Marshall. Terrific QB for your O, but terrible shooter & defender. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

12-20-2017, 09:44 AM	#46
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,390	Magic & Zeke make nice. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

12-20-2017, 10:37 AM	#48
TheMaus2 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The OOTP Forums. Always. Posts: 1,949 Blog Entries: 16	Ever since Lil B removed the curse from Durant and Harden, they've done great things. __________________ I write a monthly newsletter on the Food Baseball Association. I also listen to music no one's ever heard of in hopes of looking cool and alternative.

12-11-2017, 10:36 AM	#44
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Sure, obviously there is no excuse for any professional basketball player to shoot 47% from the free throw line. That's just practice. If he just shot 70% FTs the comp would be closer. (Yes, we are talkin' about practice...)

12-20-2017, 10:00 AM	#47
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	The Rockets are on pace to shatter offensive records. www.otgbasketball.com has a great article breaking down their first 1/3 of the season. Of the top 5 offensive teams of all time, they have already shot more 3's than 3 of the top 5. I consider myself a progressive basketball fan but even I am not fully prepared for a world in which a team attempts 4000 3's over the course of a season. We are headed towards that if the Rockets make a deep playoff run. They are on pace as of last nights game to shoot 3542 for this season.

12-20-2017, 12:16 PM	#51
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,390	Of all the crap they could've stole, they took his crapper. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

01-20-2018, 01:15 PM	#52
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,390	Thoughts? __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

01-23-2018, 03:55 PM	#53
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Surprised at the Jason Kidd firing but at the same time not fired. If that even makes sense...

01-30-2018, 07:42 AM	#54
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	I did not see that coming! In a weird season this was the first thjng that caught me out of nowhere.

02-08-2018, 12:34 PM	#58
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,390	IT, Frye & Clev 2018 1st rd pick to Lakers for Clarkson & Nance . __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

02-08-2018, 01:18 PM	#59
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Cleveland has pretty much traded their entire roster for an entirely new roster But I don't think they will be any better and James is out the door anyways. Truly rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.