2025 NFL Season Thread

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I can't blame Micah. Jerry Jones took him for a idiot. He thought Parsons was naive & not savvy enough to know how to handle business. JJ got mad that Parsons wasn't a fool. Micah got mad @ JJ for taking him for a fool. Things soured from there. In the long run, just focusing on the talent of Parsons & the trade, I think Dallas made out fine. But in the long run, focusing on how JJ tried to circumvent a player's agent, he just made it tougher for himself in future negotiations w/current players & future FA's. Agents are going to make sure their clients are wary of JJ sneaky attempts and some will even take this personal.

In their defense. Jerry did say he offered him almost 200M in guaranteed money. So everyone was thinking 150-180M. Jerry has been honest about everything he has been saying so far. So far no one has been calling anyone a liar.

The Jones boys also said they don't try to circumvent the agent. They only talk to players that are willing. Jerry always pays his top talent. This is the one case he didn't. There's probably a good reason for that.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

In their defense. Jerry did say he offered him almost 200M in guaranteed money. So everyone was thinking 150-180M. Jerry has been honest about everything he has been saying so far. So far no one has been calling anyone a liar.

The Jones boys also said they don't try to circumvent the agent. They only talk to players that are willing. Jerry always pays his top talent. This is the one case he didn't. There's probably a good reason for that.

The years and amount is just the car's frame. The agent is the mechanic that can tell u what is under the hood. I don't think JJ is lying. But I don't think he was circumventing the agent for benign reasons. But as I said B4, I agree with trading him when the team isnt SB caliber. SB is the goal. If u arent a true contender, then use your assets to collect more future assets so you can be SB caliber. He didnt make the mistake the Panthers did by holding onto Brian Burns instead of taking 2 1st rounders from the Rams.

[low]

The best thing for the Dallas Cowboys and their future is for Jones to retire and wander off down the street and enjoy what time he has left.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by low

The best thing for the Dallas Cowboys and their future is for Jones to retire and wander off down the street and enjoy what time he has left.

The only one who doesn't see that as obvious is JJ himself.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

The years and amount is just the car's frame. The agent is the mechanic that can tell u what is under the hood. I don't think JJ is lying. But I don't think he was circumventing the agent for benign reasons. But as I said B4, I agree with trading him when the team isnt SB caliber. SB is the goal. If u arent a true contender, then use your assets to collect more future assets so you can be SB caliber. He didnt make the mistake the Panthers did by holding onto Brian Burns instead of taking 2 1st rounders from the Rams.

I agree 100%. Like when the Raiders traded Khalil Mack. Why give a guy a huge 4 year contract, when it's going to take that long to rebuild? The thing is, I don't believe Jerry thinks he's far from being a contender.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by low

The best thing for the Dallas Cowboys and their future is for Jones to retire and wander off down the street and enjoy what time he has left.

It could be worse. Who takes over? There are two things that Jerry does to hurt the team, and I don't think that changes when he's gone.

1. He never extends his first round talent after 3 years. He always waits until after 4. This has a major impact on the cap.

2. He no longer goes after high priced free agent. Doesn't even consider it. It's like a house rule you'd do if the AI isn't strong enough. The better run organizations always consider it.

Stephen Jones has already said he would take less risk when Jerry is gone. Not that Jerry takes any risk now.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Panthers trade Adam Thielen to the Vikes for an exchange of better picks in the '26 & '27 draft. This isn't big news. But as a Panther watcher, I felt it would have been smart to keep either Thielen or Hunter Renfrow cause the WR's need a veteran leader. But they have sent both packing. Evidently in favor of youth & cost. In camp, WR was the deepest unit for Carolina. Of course, that was arguably vs their weakest unit, the defensive secondary. As of now, a shaky Bryce Young will go into battle w/3 rookies & 2 in their 2nd year among his wideouts.

Panthers sign Renfrow after Coker went down w/a quad.

[Déjà Bru]

My distaste for Jerry Jones stands, but my support for Micah Jones wavered a bit after reading this:

Micah Parsons stunned by 'harsh reality' of trade from Cowboys

Micah Parsons did not expect to be traded from the Dallas Cowboys, even after requesting a move earlier this month amid a contract dispute with team owner Jerry Jones . . . "I didn't think I would be traded," Parsons said. "But that's the harsh reality."

Really. So you were playing games just like your boss, Micah? My sympathy wanes.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

My distaste for Jerry Jones stands, but my support for Micah Jones wavered a bit after reading this:

Micah Parsons stunned by 'harsh reality' of trade from Cowboys



Really. So you were playing games just like your boss, Micah? My sympathy wanes.

IDK why anyone would take sides in individual player contract controversies in the NFL. It is the most asinine "system" in a free market world.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

My distaste for Jerry Jones stands, but my support for Micah Jones wavered a bit after reading this:

Micah Parsons stunned by 'harsh reality' of trade from Cowboys



Really. So you were playing games just like your boss, Micah? My sympathy wanes.

If you're not a Cowboys fan, you should love Jerry Jones.

[Ragnar]

IMO, I think the players union should have tried to bargain away the exclusive franchise tag. The regular FT is ok, but the exclusive is too much control IMO.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

IMO, I think the players union should have tried to bargain away the exclusive franchise tag. The regular FT is ok, but the exclusive is too much control IMO.

NFLPA should have done a lot of things.

[low]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

NFLPA should have done a lot of things.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Cobra Mgr]

Dallas extends CB Daron Bland

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Dallas extends CB Daron Bland

That was definitely not the plan. When you follow a team long enough, you get to know how they operate. Jerry is usually very predictable. Bland was on his last year here until Parsons was traded. Which also opens up a deal with Pickens. Who was also gone after this year. He still may be.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

NFLPA should have done a lot of things.

It's hard for the NFLPA because they can't get the support from the majority of the players. Your working class union is more likely to strike than NFL players.

League minimum for rookies is 840k and 960k for vets. That may not sound like a lot in the overall scheme, but that's a ton of money for most people.

I make like 75k and I'm happy. I promise I won't strike for 840k.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

It's hard for the NFLPA because they can't get the support from the majority of the players. Your working class union is more likely to strike than NFL players.

I am aware of this. Which is why I say the NFLPA should be disbanded & separate unions based on positions should replace it.

Teachers, sanitation workers, law enforcement, bus drivers all work for the city. But they don't have one union. Cause their jobs have different needs and concerns. So they have separate unions.

The NFL players should do the same. Cause they needs of the QB's aren't the same as the lineman, which aren't the same as the kickers, which isn't the same as the RB's. They operate @ different salaries, have a different quality of life after playing & have different career shelf lives.

The owners have 2 big advantages in negotiations. One, the NFL isn't their sole source of income. And two, most players will never get more than 5 years in the league. Long labor stoppage chips away at their best chance to earn their highest salary before heading to the "real" world. Owners have to just wait them out.

Separating the unions would allow the players to be more hawkish & holdout for better terms.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I am aware of this. Which is why I say the NFLPA should be disbanded & separate unions based on positions should replace it.

Teachers, sanitation workers, law enforcement, bus drivers all work for the city. But they don't have one union. Cause their jobs have different needs and concerns. So they have separate unions.

The NFL players should do the same. Cause they needs of the QB's aren't the same as the lineman, which aren't the same as the kickers, which isn't the same as the RB's. They operate @ different salaries, have a different quality of life after playing & have different career shelf lives.

The owners have 2 big advantages in negotiations. One, the NFL isn't their sole source of income. And two, most players will never get more than 5 years in the league. Long labor stoppage chips away at their best chance to earn their highest salary before heading to the "real" world. Owners have to just wait them out.

Separating the unions would allow the players to be more hawkish & holdout for better terms.

I don't know. That would be a little weird. I can see the logic between QBs and everyone else, but not much more than that.

I still think you'd have the problem with players not willing to take a stand due to the money they'd be missing. QBs might be willing to make a stand. But that's about it.

[monkeyman576]

It's just weird that the MLB has garaunteed contracts and the NFL doesn't when NFL s the more contact heavy sport. Maybe that's actually part of it, there's more of a risk to the owners of injury, but if I were the players union rep I would bring up that there is significant risk to the players too, especially with concussions.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

It's just weird that the MLB has garaunteed contracts and the NFL doesn't when NFL s the more contact heavy sport.

MLB had Marvin Miller, RIP. NFL had Ed Garvey and Noted Collaborator Gene Upshaw. And that's the difference.