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Old 03-20-2019, 10:12 PM   #1
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MLB opener vs Japanese opener

Does anyone see the problem with opening the MLB season in Japan?
Why doesn't Japan open their season in the USA?

Answer --Rob Manfred, who is going to ruin baseball
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:30 PM   #2
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1. I also dislike playing games that count in countries that didn't pay $1B to give American franchises a home for free.

2. I also find it moronic to play games that count, then 2 weeks of spring training, then start the season again.

3. MLB played the opening series in Japan long before Manfred became commish.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:34 PM   #3
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This has been going on for 20 years or more. There are many things that can be plausibly blamed on Manfred, but opening the year in Japan isn't one of them.

I counted eight games on the schedule being played outside the US and Canada, and 2422 games played inside the US and Canada.

If you think we're griping about this, wait until two of the sacred Red Sox - Yankee games are played in London later this year.
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:22 AM   #4
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I hate Bob Numbfred with all my heart, but it was indeed not quite his fault exactly that the Mets and Cubs played their season opener at the Tokyo Dome... in *2000*.

I *do* agree though that Bob Numbfred is ruining baseball.
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:38 AM   #5
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Its not ideal and clearly a gimmic but does it really matter? This stuff can be good for the sport. I am sitting here watching MLB in my own timezone for a change. and it is great exposure in Japan.

And with being able to enjoy OOTP20 at this same time.. it is getting me pretty excited for the season ahead.

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Old 03-21-2019, 09:11 AM   #6
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1. I also dislike playing games that count in countries that didn't pay $1B to give American franchises a home for free.

2. I also find it moronic to play games that count, then 2 weeks of spring training, then start the season again.

3. MLB played the opening series in Japan long before Manfred became commish.

#2 is what bothers me the most. If you go to ESPN or most other web sites the OAK-SEA game is listed right along with the other spring training games. Hella confusing.
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Old 03-21-2019, 09:37 AM   #7
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Yes, it's ok if the best Japanese players come over here and play in America, but heaven forbid that American players should go over to Japan and play a regular season game.

Never mind that it also allows Ichiro to retire in his home nation, he was just a nobody in the majors anyway.

The shame of it all, holding a regular season game in a foreign country. I wonder what POTUS is thinking? He'll probably have another twitter rant shortly.

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Old 03-21-2019, 04:00 PM   #9
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2. I also find it moronic to play games that count, then 2 weeks of spring training, then start the season again.
One week of spring training, not two. Also, special roster rules were adopted for 2008 to accommodate those clubs playing such early regular season opening games.

The clubs can travel with 30 players, 28 roster and 2 non-roster. All 30 can be used in exhibition games played overseas. For the two regular season games, 25 of the 28 roster players are designated active for the games and the other 3 are inactive. The same 3 players must be inactive for both games. For subsequent spring training/exhibition games, all 28 players (plus any non-roster players) can be used.

The idea behind this rule is that the clubs playing overseas have some flexibility in their roster decisions over the final week. Rather than have to cut down to their final 25 a week before all the other clubs do, they only have to cut down to 28, and after the early openers they still have 3 players about whom they can decide before cutting down to 25 for the domestic regular season openers.

This may seem restrictive, but 28 players is about what most clubs have on the active roster going into the final week of spring training. The other 12 have already been optioned to the minors. (The first optioning to the minors takes place early in spring training with those young players who are clearly not yet ready for serious consideration for starting positions in the regular season.)

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This has been going on for 20 years or more. There are many things that can be plausibly blamed on Manfred, but opening the year in Japan isn't one of them.
The instances of early opening regular season games scheduled for outside North America: 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012 in Tokyo; 2014 in Australia; 2019 in Tokyo. (The 2004 openers had originally been scheduled for 2003, but security concerns arising out of the start of the Iraq war caused the series to be postponed to the following year.)

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MLB in Tokyo, NFL in London, NBA games in Mexico City. It's all about marketing it's all about money. Oh and I forgot the NHL in Sweden.
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:57 PM   #11
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You know what is the most moronic thing of all?


The MLB season started yesterday, and I only causally found out this morning.

In fact, a lot of people around me didn't even know. And the #1 sports talk show in Boston didn't even mention it.

When I was a kid opening day was like Christmas Day in April.



I think this is the year that Major League Baseball gets punched in the face by reality as to how far it has fallen.
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I may short in the opinion column here, but to be perfectly honest, I looked at the A's-M's in Japan as opening "games", NOT opening day! To me, baseball's opening day is in America! I'm not being racist. I am a traditionalist. Would Japan consider it "opening day" if two of their teams came here to play? Somehow, I doubt it. Hopefully, you all dont peg me as being racist, but will see MLB's opening day is here. And I feel the same about any other country. If Japan felt the same way as I just stated, I would fully agree with them.
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Well, it was two West Coast teams that as a matter of fact… don't matter. If the Yankees had played in Tokyo, y'all *would* have heard about it.
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Well, it was two West Coast teams that as a matter of fact… don't matter. If the Yankees had played in Tokyo, y'all *would* have heard about it.
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The A's/Mariners played at 2AM Oakland/Seattle time. So, yea. As an A's fan, I didn't watch either game.
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Not a fan of the games happening so far before opening day, but that seems the only logical way to do it.

As for teams in the MLB playing outside of the US/Canada, I'm all for it. More exposure, etc.

But, ultimately, what a great send off to Ichiro.
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I may short in the opinion column here, but to be perfectly honest, I looked at the A's-M's in Japan as opening "games", NOT opening day! To me, baseball's opening day is in America! I'm not being racist. I am a traditionalist. Would Japan consider it "opening day" if two of their teams came here to play? Somehow, I doubt it. Hopefully, you all dont peg me as being racist, but will see MLB's opening day is here. And I feel the same about any other country. If Japan felt the same way as I just stated, I would fully agree with them.
I think everyone is still advertising next Thursday as Opening Day. ESPN is, and they carried the games, calling them the Opening Series.
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MLB in Tokyo, NFL in London, NBA games in Mexico City. It's all about marketing it's all about money. Oh and I forgot the NHL in Sweden.
If it's all about marketing, how come Arsenal & Man U aren't interested in marketing their product with games that count in the USA? Maybe the Tour de France can run a leg in French Quarter of New Orleans.
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I may short in the opinion column here, but to be perfectly honest, I looked at the A's-M's in Japan as opening "games", NOT opening day! To me, baseball's opening day is in America!
And that is effectively how it is treated by MLB. The big hoopla for opening day will happen next Thursday. The early overseas games are a special event for the two teams involved.


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If it's all about marketing, how come Arsenal & Man U aren't interested in marketing their product with games that count in the USA?
The answer to that question should be self-evident.
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Just wait until next year, when they'll probably force the Cardinals and Cubs to play each other somewhere on the other side of the world.
Not going to be a happy camper.

If you're going to leave the hemisphere to play games, make them exhibitions or All-Star tours, those fans are not going to know the difference and will show up anyway.
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Just wait until next year, when they'll probably force the Cardinals and Cubs to play each other somewhere on the other side of the world.
Unlikely. These things are arranged well in advance, as obviously there are a lot of logistical considerations involved. Here are the teams which have participated in the overseas early openers:

2000, Tokyo: Chicago Cubs, New York Mets
2004, Tokyo: New York Yankees, Tampa Bay Rays
2008, Tokyo: Boston Red Sox, Oakland Athletics
2012, Tokyo: Seattle Mariners, Oakland Athletics
2014, Australia: Los Angeles Dodgers, Arizona Diamondbacks
2019, Tokyo: Seattle Mariners, Oakland Athletics
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