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Old 05-07-2019, 08:18 PM   #1
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Victor Robles - Live vs Future

Victor Robles Diamond - 96
Victor Robles Live - 88

But the ratings are virtually identical...can someone explain the difference in overall rating? Sorry, can't seem to paste screen grab to compare the players
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Old 05-07-2019, 09:54 PM   #2
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Not really an answer, but I saw both in my league so I figured I should post the comparison. Identical defensive ratings to max CF at 84, and FWIW the future legend Robles has one more control in his pitching ratings (to bring him to 11). Maybe it's because the future legend ratings won't move based on irl performance, but I wouldn't think that should result in an 8 rating jump. Live Robles on the left, Future Legend on the right.
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Old 05-07-2019, 10:04 PM   #3
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I have long thought that a card's eye rating carries far more weight towards the OVR than any other singular rating. This does nothing to contradict this belief.
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Old 05-07-2019, 10:23 PM   #4
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Future Legend card is fixed upon release.

LIVE card is going to change based on ZIPS projections changing during current MLB season. So ZIPS must like what it is currently seeing out of Robles.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:00 AM   #5
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Seems like a lot of the Live cards are getting better than their future legend cards. Not sure if that is intended, Live Robles for me is currently beasting the last 3 seasons.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:28 AM   #6
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Future Legend card is fixed upon release.

LIVE card is going to change based on ZIPS projections changing during current MLB season. So ZIPS must like what it is currently seeing out of Robles.
Live cards change based on the stats a player produces, not by any changes in projections.
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:17 PM   #7
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Your explanation does not make sense in light of Pete Alonso being downgraded to gold from diamond this week.
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:48 PM   #8
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Your explanation does not make sense in light of Pete Alonso being downgraded to gold from diamond this week.
He was 5/27 with 1 HR and 2 walks last week. .185 avg, .241 OBP. That's enough to move his batting ratings down a notch.
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Old 05-08-2019, 04:20 PM   #9
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Matt, can you shed some light on the 8 point overall discrepancy with such little rating difference between the two Robles cards?
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Old 05-08-2019, 05:46 PM   #10
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Matt, can you shed some light on the 8 point overall discrepancy with such little rating difference between the two Robles cards?

I try not to dig too deep into the PT rating algorithms, and prefer to leave that to Markus I know cards are rated on slightly different scales in some situations, but I can't tell you when or how or why since I don't have those answers. If you think the cards are roughly equal, then I'd suggest simply investing in the cheaper one.
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I have long thought that a card's eye rating carries far more weight towards the OVR than any other singular rating. This does nothing to contradict this belief.
And it looks like you wouldnt be entirely wrong...using a small sample of players from my current league (DiL)



It would seem that Eye and Power have the highest correlation with Value. With Bunt for Hit and Avoid K's actually having a negative correlation. CON17 is Contact for hitters and CON26 is Control for pitchers. There is probably some work I could do to isolate hitters from pitchers here...but this is just a quick review.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:51 PM   #12
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Ok decided to look a little deeper...



This is filtered to only hitters...Pow, Eye, Gap, Contact, Avoid K's in that order for Card value....in my sample of players.
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Old 05-08-2019, 11:53 PM   #13
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I really hope you can continue to produce such data once you hit Perfect league and lock down the data to a single type of league over multiple seasons.

It is always nice to see how data starts to make more sense (and support some of our arguments) as we have more season.
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