2010 Roster Set Underway - Page 4

Daern · 03-15-2010, 05:36 AM

Some quick ratings questions--which do not detract from my over-all glee at this project--are as follows:

How do you justify ranking Wieters and Cruz so high? Not only do they lack track records, neither of them even had that great of a 2009.

From what negative rating do Hudson's low overall and potential rating come from?

Would you like any help with this or the next roster update? I have an excess of baseball knowledge and not enough stuff to do.

Thanks,
D

ZiggyPop · 03-15-2010, 09:02 AM

One important note :

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the overall rating is totally useless. Just a mix of hitting/running/defense/comparison to other players at the same position.

Don't freak out over A-Rod being at 76, look at his power instead. From years of experience using Cubby's roster, the overall is irrelevant. Anyway, there is still a variation in stats output... some highly rated players WILL yield crappy season (.250/.320/.420) and some lowbies will get decent seasons.

I think we should hold the critics towards the ratings and roster set in general until we see some stats output after using them.

One point though, I tend to agree that some young kids, even though highly touted, are a little too optimistic in their ratings, Wieters being the prime example after he belted 56 homeruns last year in our league.

Keep up the good work Cubby, can't wait to see the final result.

CubbyFan23 · 03-15-2010, 10:24 AM

Back from Florida! I am glad to report that it is still there, the weather is outstanding, and I did not think about OOTP for one second.

Rosters are going into overdrive this week and will be out this weekend.

acclaim99 · 03-15-2010, 10:59 PM

awesome. cant wait.

tbuc · 03-16-2010, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daern

Tbuc--you DO know that that's a 76/80, and therefore pretty damn good...right?

Yeah... I'm just saying I consider A-Rod better than David Wright and Dustin Pedroia among a few others.

CubbyFan23 · 03-16-2010, 09:19 AM

Keep in mind that ratings are compared to positions. You could only really compare ARod and Wright, and I'm not sure the gap is anything at all if Wright bounces back to the 15-25 HR level with outstanding defense.

Since Pedroia is a 2B, his rating is compared to other 2B.

Features as I think of them:

Updated ratings for the 2010 season including fielding based on UZR and other fielding metrics (love me some UZR, but it can be a bit biased), hitting numbers based on projection systems
Top 30 prospects and top 100 league prospects, rated in proper BA order, with full scouting reports
Completely accurate pitch speed and types for pitchers who have pitched at least one inning in MLB
Edited personality ratings for any active player who has played a game in MLB
Edited injury ratings for any active player who has played a game in MLB
Stadiums including dimensions, capacity and park effects for any ballpark in major or minor league baseball
Full coaching staffs for major and minor league teams
Accurate uniform numbers for MLB rosters
Accurate rosters/players at the proper levels to start for minor league teams as of the end of 2009/start of 2010

This will be the second release:

Every minor leaguer fully rated for fielding, hitting, pitching (and pitch types as I have scouting reports for them, if they were in a BA top 30 group in the last 5 years, I have them) --- most of them have already been done, but for guys who played their first year and weren't in a top 30 this year, will have rough ratings until I hit this in the next few weeks after release
Draft pool for the 2010 class --- in my sim league, we added around 300-400 2009 draft prospects. Planning on doing the same for the file.

golander40 · 03-16-2010, 01:21 PM

Your efforts are incredible,and much appreciated.-----of course if the WhiteSox ratings are not extremely high I'll have to "Squeal like a stuck pig" (especially their minor league players---so I can have hope for the future as I play

).
Thanks Much,
Gil The Ancient One

CubbyFan23 · 03-16-2010, 03:25 PM

You'll be happy to know that behind Beckham, Mitchell, Flowers and Hudson, the White Sox future looks pretty bright.

golander40 · 03-16-2010, 04:30 PM

Good thing--now I can put the pitchforks and torches away

Thanks
Gil The Ancient One

pseudofool · 03-16-2010, 11:48 PM

Cubby, what are you doing for the Twins international sigings. BA rates both Kepler and Sano very aggressively, but both are sixteen. I mean how are you going to balance upside with risk...

CubbyFan23 · 03-17-2010, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pseudofool

Cubby, what are you doing for the Twins international sigings. BA rates both Kepler and Sano very aggressively, but both are sixteen. I mean how are you going to balance upside with risk...

Both will have tremendous upside (especially Sano) in the set, but will be rated very raw in terms of present ratings. I figure there's a pretty good chance with OOTP's engine that they will either flame out and never hit the show, or end up as superstars (much like real life).

Did BA ever release where the international signings fell into their rankings? I have the book, so I didn't see where Chapman, etc. landed on the top 30.

Marinersfan51 · 03-17-2010, 04:58 PM

This is going to be awesome!

speedy · 03-17-2010, 08:16 PM

Is this roster designed to work with all versions of ootp 10 or just the most recent (10.413)?

Dr. P.R. Park III · 03-17-2010, 10:20 PM

Speedy,
It seems like every post of yours I read is asking the same thing. Take it from me, although OOTP X is significantly better (stability wise) I would highly recommend you play the mod on whatever version of the game the mod was built off. The game still has a tendency to do goofy things (or not do goofy things) after each patch, and I'd doubt a mod of this magnitude would even run on a version not significantly patched.

reds1869 · 03-18-2010, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Both will have tremendous upside (especially Sano) in the set, but will be rated very raw in terms of present ratings. I figure there's a pretty good chance with OOTP's engine that they will either flame out and never hit the show, or end up as superstars (much like real life).

Did BA ever release where the international signings fell into their rankings? I have the book, so I didn't see where Chapman, etc. landed on the top 30.

BA didn't put Chapman in their Top 100, but said he would have been in Top 15 territory.

cephasjames · 03-18-2010, 08:12 AM

Cubby, great work! Will this only work for 10 or will it translate over to 11 easily? I've never used a roster set before?

Sparrow · 03-18-2010, 08:13 AM

Here is BA's ranking of Chapman, #22.

BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Top 100 Prospects: Top 100 Prospects: No. 21-40

CubbyFan23 · 03-18-2010, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cephasjames

Cubby, great work! Will this only work for 10 or will it translate over to 11 easily? I've never used a roster set before?

Will be publishing a roster set for both versions, although it will translate to 11 without a hitch if you want to just do it yourself.

cephasjames · 03-18-2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Will be publishing a roster set for both versions, although it will translate to 11 without a hitch if you want to just do it yourself.

Thanks.

Mike Loves Baseball · 03-18-2010, 03:33 PM

Do you do anything with the manager, coach and scout ratings?

Just wondering, as its a bit subjective who is a good or bad coach and manager so is there anything out there that rates them

03-15-2010, 05:36 AM	#61
Daern Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 148	Some quick ratings questions--which do not detract from my over-all glee at this project--are as follows: How do you justify ranking Wieters and Cruz so high? Not only do they lack track records, neither of them even had that great of a 2009. From what negative rating do Hudson's low overall and potential rating come from? Would you like any help with this or the next roster update? I have an excess of baseball knowledge and not enough stuff to do. Thanks, D __________________ UNDERGROUND BASEBALL LEAGUE: (Havana Rovers) 2009: 99-63 (Pennant Winners) 2010: 87-75 (Division Winners) 2011: 92-70 (Division Winners) 2012: 104-58 (Pennant Winners) 2013: 69-93 (4th Place) 2014: 108-54 (Pennant Winners) 2015: 115-47 (Pennant Winners) 2016: 95-67 (Pennant Winners) 2017: 94-68 (CHAMPIONS) 2018: 104-58 (Pennant Winners) 2019: 119-43 (Pennant Winners) 2020: 121-41 (CHAMPIONS) 2021: 86-76 (Wild Card) 2022: Who knows?

03-15-2010, 09:02 AM	#62
ZiggyPop Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 303	One important note : Correct me if I'm wrong, but the overall rating is totally useless. Just a mix of hitting/running/defense/comparison to other players at the same position. Don't freak out over A-Rod being at 76, look at his power instead. From years of experience using Cubby's roster, the overall is irrelevant. Anyway, there is still a variation in stats output... some highly rated players WILL yield crappy season (.250/.320/.420) and some lowbies will get decent seasons. I think we should hold the critics towards the ratings and roster set in general until we see some stats output after using them. One point though, I tend to agree that some young kids, even though highly touted, are a little too optimistic in their ratings, Wieters being the prime example after he belted 56 homeruns last year in our league. Keep up the good work Cubby, can't wait to see the final result. __________________ Sigs are overrated.

03-16-2010, 09:19 AM	#66
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Keep in mind that ratings are compared to positions. You could only really compare ARod and Wright, and I'm not sure the gap is anything at all if Wright bounces back to the 15-25 HR level with outstanding defense. Since Pedroia is a 2B, his rating is compared to other 2B. Features as I think of them: Updated ratings for the 2010 season including fielding based on UZR and other fielding metrics (love me some UZR, but it can be a bit biased), hitting numbers based on projection systems Top 30 prospects and top 100 league prospects, rated in proper BA order, with full scouting reports Completely accurate pitch speed and types for pitchers who have pitched at least one inning in MLB Edited personality ratings for any active player who has played a game in MLB Edited injury ratings for any active player who has played a game in MLB Stadiums including dimensions, capacity and park effects for any ballpark in major or minor league baseball Full coaching staffs for major and minor league teams Accurate uniform numbers for MLB rosters Accurate rosters/players at the proper levels to start for minor league teams as of the end of 2009/start of 2010 This will be the second release: Every minor leaguer fully rated for fielding, hitting, pitching (and pitch types as I have scouting reports for them, if they were in a BA top 30 group in the last 5 years, I have them) --- most of them have already been done, but for guys who played their first year and weren't in a top 30 this year, will have rough ratings until I hit this in the next few weeks after release Draft pool for the 2010 class --- in my sim league, we added around 300-400 2009 draft prospects. Planning on doing the same for the file.

03-16-2010, 01:21 PM	#67
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 325	Incredible Your efforts are incredible,and much appreciated.-----of course if the WhiteSox ratings are not extremely high I'll have to "Squeal like a stuck pig" (especially their minor league players---so I can have hope for the future as I play ). Thanks Much, Gil The Ancient One

03-16-2010, 04:30 PM	#69
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 325	Good Thing Good thing--now I can put the pitchforks and torches away Thanks Gil The Ancient One

03-15-2010, 10:24 AM	#63
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Back from Florida! I am glad to report that it is still there, the weather is outstanding, and I did not think about OOTP for one second. Rosters are going into overdrive this week and will be out this weekend.

03-15-2010, 10:59 PM	#64
acclaim99 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 486	awesome. cant wait.

03-16-2010, 03:25 PM	#68
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	You'll be happy to know that behind Beckham, Mitchell, Flowers and Hudson, the White Sox future looks pretty bright.

03-16-2010, 11:48 PM	#70
pseudofool Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 232	Cubby, what are you doing for the Twins international sigings. BA rates both Kepler and Sano very aggressively, but both are sixteen. I mean how are you going to balance upside with risk...

03-17-2010, 04:58 PM	#72
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 774	This is going to be awesome!

03-17-2010, 08:16 PM	#73
speedy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 119	Is this roster designed to work with all versions of ootp 10 or just the most recent (10.413)?

03-17-2010, 10:20 PM	#74
Dr. P.R. Park III All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 974	Speedy, It seems like every post of yours I read is asking the same thing. Take it from me, although OOTP X is significantly better (stability wise) I would highly recommend you play the mod on whatever version of the game the mod was built off. The game still has a tendency to do goofy things (or not do goofy things) after each patch, and I'd doubt a mod of this magnitude would even run on a version not significantly patched.

03-18-2010, 08:12 AM	#76
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,735 Blog Entries: 1	Cubby, great work! Will this only work for 10 or will it translate over to 11 easily? I've never used a roster set before? __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

03-18-2010, 08:13 AM	#77
Sparrow All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 803	Here is BA's ranking of Chapman, #22. BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Top 100 Prospects: Top 100 Prospects: No. 21-40

03-18-2010, 03:33 PM	#80
Mike Loves Baseball Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hull Posts: 26	Do you do anything with the manager, coach and scout ratings? Just wondering, as its a bit subjective who is a good or bad coach and manager so is there anything out there that rates them __________________ Thats not Champagne, thats real pain. Humber Pilots 2010 http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome....&sid=941814706