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05-21-2019, 04:14 PM | #41 | |
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Well said. I just jumped to silver after a dream year where I made the WS (got swept in the series) Now I'm getting my lunch eaten in silver. Somehow the best pack pull I ever had has a 7.13 ERA after 6 starts in my newly minted silver division. 'll work on the team (no money) and try to improve my roster as I do it. That said, I have ZERO desire to be locked into a silver league forever toiling near .500. If that happens for a few weeks, I will probably do whatever I can to be sent back to bronze. I have no problems being relegation fodder and being a yoyo going up and down. Sticking at the .500 mark in silver for eternity would cause me to quit the game. Last edited by TroyF; 05-21-2019 at 04:16 PM. |
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05-21-2019, 04:45 PM | #43 |
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OK well that does change things a bit. I shouldn't assume I know how much they are making playing the game that way. If it's a lot more than the players they're competing against then I agree the devs should tell them to stop. I'd much prefer the devs make the relatively simple changes to the mechanics of the awards to take the incentive to tank away, but in the meantime they should manage it if it really is a big PP advantage.
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05-21-2019, 05:38 PM | #44 |
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Maybe they got a very lucky pull to fund the team? elite cards sold at the start of the game fetched a big premium. I dunno, you seem to be talking with them and know more than we do. My guess is a full team of diamonds/perfects would earn 5-10K points those first four months but then they stop earning the last two while tanking.
the amount of points you can make by investing in live cards that improved to perfect towers over any achievement points anyway |
05-21-2019, 06:18 PM | #45 | |
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I think you should lessen your expectation on tournaments because they are bound to be solved in time. No matter the rules, people are going to eventually find the best players for each position and you will be seeing the same things as you did with fully optimized Perfect league team, maybe even more frequently because of the lower cost to be able to fund a full team. As for the lesser reason, that's just how it is for most games? You can spend an insane amount of time into learning any PVP games and your end-game award would just be the icon of the highest rank in that game -- the equivalent of a perfect league championship. There are no award above that unless said game has an e-sport scene with cash in the prize pool. |
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Seriously though, if this thread is missing anything, its missing all the people who used to yell and point to the TOS to justify their position that any tanking - ANY tanking - was wrong and in violation of the rules and spirit of the game.
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05-21-2019, 06:36 PM | #47 |
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05-22-2019, 01:46 PM | #48 |
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Would it be that difficult for the devs to simply pull PL Whale teams by managers who have spent over say a fixed amount like $200/$500, and move said teams to specific groupings of Whale PLs?
Do they already do that? Gacha pack mechanics are always hard to balance along with an AH, esp as a business likes to make money. I'd like to see how tourneys and the app factor in before throwing wrenches at things less than 2 months in.
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05-22-2019, 02:07 PM | #49 | |
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If they do that, the dev better be prepared to get complaint from a $200 spender about $499 spender and how many whales are then intentionally spending $499 to be the kings of $200-$499 league. It's pointless to do this kind of balancing(IMO) because it doesn't work. The same issues remain - people spending less are unhappy about people spending more. Last edited by Goliathus; 05-22-2019 at 02:10 PM. |
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05-22-2019, 02:09 PM | #50 | |
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The money spent matters but they still have to be some of the luckiest people around too.
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05-22-2019, 02:17 PM | #51 | |
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05-22-2019, 02:19 PM | #52 |
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Anyone who thinks $200 is a whale hasn't seen Perfect Leagues.
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05-22-2019, 02:50 PM | #54 |
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As said many times, a separate tier based on paying will NEVER happen because part of the value of spending money is getting your strong team to beat up on the plebs below you. Doing that will only reduce the amount of people who buy points or the amount of points paying players buy.
I do think there is merit however to a "champions league" of all perfect league winners plus maybe the previous champions league playoff teams, or whatever number is needed to get a full league. That could essentially function as the same thing and gives a higher award for the top whales to strive for. |
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I agree with dkgo... A single "champion" league of the 30 "best" teams makes a lot of sense. There would be a promotion from the world series winner for every perfect league (there are currently 19 such leagues) and the same number would be relegated back to perfect from the "champion" league every season. This would give the whaliest whales something to shoot for and reduce the presence of these whaliest whales in the perfect level.
The only thing about this is that along with this, they will need to put a cap on the number of perfect leagues... 20 might be a good level, which means the top 10 teams each year in that champion league get to stay there. The best way to cap the level of perfect leagues is to increase the number of teams relegated back to diamond each week from perfect (while leaving pro/rel at other levels the same). My calculations show that setting rel to 4 in the perfect leagues (while having 3 or 4 for promotion from diamond leagues) should accomplish that. .
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I was just thinking; if they make this "champion" league visible to everybody, so anybody can view games or view boxscores from that league, it could be useful for encouraging people to see what the "best of the best" looks like, and the strategies they use.
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05-22-2019, 03:55 PM | #58 | |
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I do like the idea. With tournaments and collections still being worked on I would imagine the earliest it would get on the roadmap would be next version, assuming OOTP designers even like the idea. That's a wild guess on my part. I think it has great merit and would be fun. Kris could go over the numbers for the champions league and maybe cover the world series in "This week in Perfect Team" each week It would be the ultimate bragging rights and just getting there would be pretty cool.
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05-22-2019, 04:11 PM | #59 |
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I hope they don't change the current system. However, a tournament with only PL champions eligible would be interesting.
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05-22-2019, 05:28 PM | #60 | |
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With regard to other games, there are a lot of different approaches to rewarding players based on PvP performance. In some open world games (e.g., Eve Online) players find ways to create their own value. In many card games (e.g., Hearthstone, Gwent, MTG Online) you earn more packs in addition to cosmetics. In gatcha games (e.g., Fire Emblem Heroes) you might earn unique rewards that make you more competitive and can't be bought (but which you can't compete for without being a whale). Granted, there are many games where you just earn clout, but these also tend to be the games where you can't buy a competitive edge (e.g., Forntnite, League of Legends). At the moment, Perfect Team requires players to spend money to compete at the highest levels as though it were a gatcha game, but rewards players for their performance as though they were playing a MOBA. I personally hate gatcha games and hope OOTP don't go with that kind of reward model. I think the online card game model is probably most suited for Perfect Team. |
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