Has anyone else seen a problem with strict rotation?

david limbaugh · 07-17-2015, 01:42 AM

With latest patch, has anyone noticed same pitcher starting back to back games even though strict order is on, and other pitchers are rested and not injured? It has only happened twice, once in each of my last 2 seasons.

I uploaded my league file and sent an email to Matt.

Just curious if anyone else has seen this happen???

IsaacR · 07-17-2015, 02:21 AM

I've seen the AI start my set-up man, closer, long man, and other relievers with a strict rotation. Never seen a starter go back-to-back.
I've taken to "Always Start Highest Rested.". It just seems most logical.

david limbaugh · 07-17-2015, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by IsaacR

I've seen the AI start my set-up man, closer, long man, and other relievers with a strict rotation. Never seen a starter go back-to-back.
I've taken to "Always Start Highest Rested.". It just seems most logical.

Same pitcher, same season. First time he started Friday and Saturday back to back. The last series of the regular season he started Friday and Sunday, and the Sunday starter, while not injured and fully rested, just sat on the bench.

IMHO, this is a showstopper....

Rain King · 07-17-2015, 06:32 AM

Is this with the use of 7-day lineups or no? I feel like maybe I've had this issue while using them before, went away from them and things seemed to work better.

Elektranaut · 07-17-2015, 12:49 PM

Just happened to me...I hadn't checked the line-up either(something I usually do)and he almost started until i noticed and took him out!

david limbaugh · 07-17-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Is this with the use of 7-day lineups or no? I feel like maybe I've had this issue while using them before, went away from them and things seemed to work better.

Not using 7-day lineups.

Frustration is that I started league in 1871, up to 1909. Never happened until 1908, happened 1 time.

1909, same pitcher has had it happen twice. One start was on Friday and then Saturday. that was week 3 or so. Last series of the season, he threw Friday and Sunday - and of course, got hurt throwing Sunday on 1 days rest...

Frustrating thing was the game that day showed the #3 pitcher being the starting pitcher in 'scores' before the game was played that day but the AI manager must have had a hunch and gave #1 the ball again....

Further frustration was that team had already clinched the division and #1 missed his post-season start...

RchW · 07-17-2015, 02:35 PM

Never had it happen unless I get kicked out of a sim by injury and forget to finish day.

david limbaugh · 07-17-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Never had it happen unless I get kicked out of a sim by injury and forget to finish day.

I have seen it happen 3 times in 38 seasons. But those 3 times have been the past 2 seasons...

JohnHoward · 07-17-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by david limbaugh

I have seen it happen 3 times in 38 seasons. But those 3 times have been the past 2 seasons...

Just curious if it happened on the last day of the month and then the first day of the next month. I have seen it in earlier versions but it seemed to happen when the AI reset the pitching staff of a computer-managed team for the new month. If a guy's turn came on the last day, then the AI reset the staff going forward, then if he was the #1 starter (or the new #1) his turn would come up again. Again, I don't have 16, so this may not be relevant.

SteveP · 07-17-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Just curious if it happened on the last day of the month and then the first day of the next month. I have seen it in earlier versions but it seemed to happen when the AI reset the pitching staff of a computer-managed team for the new month. If a guy's turn came on the last day, then the AI reset the staff going forward, then if he was the #1 starter (or the new #1) his turn would come up again. Again, I don't have 16, so this may not be relevant.

Exactly. This does happen. I have not been able to convince Markus about this, however.

He contends that the game checks to see if a pitcher is exhausted before making him pitch a game. My guess is that the change in rotation order is made after the AI has done this check and cleared the next spot in rotation, not the next pitcher who shows up in that spot.

Since I watch all my games, when I see this happen I can fix it. No way to do that when you sim multiple games.

david limbaugh · 07-17-2015, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Just curious if it happened on the last day of the month and then the first day of the next month. I have seen it in earlier versions but it seemed to happen when the AI reset the pitching staff of a computer-managed team for the new month. If a guy's turn came on the last day, then the AI reset the staff going forward, then if he was the #1 starter (or the new #1) his turn would come up again. Again, I don't have 16, so this may not be relevant.

Good guess but no. Middle of the month....

david limbaugh · 07-17-2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

Exactly. This does happen. I have not been able to convince Markus about this, however.

He contends that the game checks to see if a pitcher is exhausted before making him pitch a game. My guess is that the change in rotation order is made after the AI has done this check and cleared the next spot in rotation, not the next pitcher who shows up in that spot.

Since I watch all my games, when I see this happen I can fix it. No way to do that when you sim multiple games.

Glad I am not the only one seeing this. Thought it was something I was doing. But no one was injured. No roster moves made. Rotation not changed.

Okay · 07-18-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by david limbaugh

With latest patch, has anyone noticed same pitcher starting back to back games even though strict order is on, and other pitchers are rested and not injured? It has only happened twice, once in each of my last 2 seasons.

I uploaded my league file and sent an email to Matt.

Just curious if anyone else has seen this happen???

I'm in an online league whose season just started. I use a strict rotation, so I'll keep my eye out.

Once I had my staff all set up and on strict rotation, but accidentally it was also on "one player rotation". This caused my number 1 starter to start every other game... and relievers start in between.

SteveP · 07-18-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by david limbaugh

Glad I am not the only one seeing this. Thought it was something I was doing. But no one was injured. No roster moves made. Rotation not changed.

If the rotation didn't change, then it is hard to guess the cause. I've seen problems like this in the past when OOTP crashes while you are playing out a game, but crashes like that are pretty rare now. Perhaps a bug of some kind in your game files??

david limbaugh · 07-18-2015, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

If the rotation didn't change, then it is hard to guess the cause. I've seen problems like this in the past when OOTP crashes while you are playing out a game, but crashes like that are pretty rare now. Perhaps a bug of some kind in your game files??

Knock on wood, no crashes. No rhyme or reason to it, that is for sure.
Just finished 1910 and didn't happen this season. I have uploaded league files to OOTP crew for them to check it out...

david limbaugh · 07-18-2015, 07:03 PM

UGH! Just happened again. Second series of 1911. Way I play - 3 pitcher rotation. Games on Friday, Saturday and Sunday - think College Baseball.

On Friday, #2 starts

Saturday, #3 starts

Sunday, #2 starts again.

All 3 were not injured, not suspended and rested.

I uploaded before and after league to to FTP site for OOTP folks to look at.

I am going to punt 1911 and start it over again and see if it happens again.

This is so frustrating....

david limbaugh · 07-19-2015, 12:56 AM

I quit....

Restarted season. Series #2 - a different team does same thing, starts
#1, #2 and then #1 again even though #3 is not injured, not suspended and rested. Next 3 series #1, #2 and #3 start like they are supposed to...

This is so frustrating. I am just stopping until this is fixed...

Déjà Bru · 07-19-2015, 12:44 PM

This is all happening just since the last patch (16.6.30), David?

david limbaugh · 07-19-2015, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

This is all happening just since the last patch (16.6.30), David?

Yes...

Okay · 07-19-2015, 03:24 PM

No problems with strict rotation In two online leagues I'm in. Maybe it has something to do with playing in 1901.

07-17-2015, 02:35 PM	#7
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07-18-2015, 07:03 PM	#16
david limbaugh All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Murfreesboro (Nashville) Tennessee Posts: 657 Blog Entries: 1	UGH! Just happened again. Second series of 1911. Way I play - 3 pitcher rotation. Games on Friday, Saturday and Sunday - think College Baseball. On Friday, #2 starts Saturday, #3 starts Sunday, #2 starts again. All 3 were not injured, not suspended and rested. I uploaded before and after league to to FTP site for OOTP folks to look at. I am going to punt 1911 and start it over again and see if it happens again. This is so frustrating.... __________________ @RHS_SID on Twitter - Go Cubs - BoSox - World Series - One Day ...#WhenItHappens

07-19-2015, 12:56 AM	#17
david limbaugh All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Murfreesboro (Nashville) Tennessee Posts: 657 Blog Entries: 1	I quit.... Restarted season. Series #2 - a different team does same thing, starts #1, #2 and then #1 again even though #3 is not injured, not suspended and rested. Next 3 series #1, #2 and #3 start like they are supposed to... This is so frustrating. I am just stopping until this is fixed... __________________ @RHS_SID on Twitter - Go Cubs - BoSox - World Series - One Day ...#WhenItHappens

07-19-2015, 12:44 PM	#18
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United States Posts: 10,456	This is all happening just since the last patch (16.6.30), David? __________________ - Bru

07-17-2015, 01:42 AM	#1
david limbaugh All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Murfreesboro (Nashville) Tennessee Posts: 657 Blog Entries: 1	Has anyone else seen a problem with strict rotation? With latest patch, has anyone noticed same pitcher starting back to back games even though strict order is on, and other pitchers are rested and not injured? It has only happened twice, once in each of my last 2 seasons. I uploaded my league file and sent an email to Matt. Just curious if anyone else has seen this happen??? __________________ @RHS_SID on Twitter - Go Cubs - BoSox - World Series - One Day ...#WhenItHappens

07-17-2015, 02:21 AM	#2
IsaacR Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Bowie, Maryland Posts: 464	I've seen the AI start my set-up man, closer, long man, and other relievers with a strict rotation. Never seen a starter go back-to-back. I've taken to "Always Start Highest Rested.". It just seems most logical. __________________ The Oriole Way - My Dynasty as the Orioles GM Online Leagues: SBL - Colorado Rockies PATP - Montreal Royals

07-17-2015, 06:32 AM	#4
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,108	Is this with the use of 7-day lineups or no? I feel like maybe I've had this issue while using them before, went away from them and things seemed to work better.

07-17-2015, 12:49 PM	#5
Elektranaut Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 361	Just happened to me...I hadn't checked the line-up either(something I usually do)and he almost started until i noticed and took him out!

07-19-2015, 03:24 PM	#20
Okay Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2014 Location: OK Posts: 53 Blog Entries: 1	No problems with strict rotation In two online leagues I'm in. Maybe it has something to do with playing in 1901.