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Old 01-17-2004, 10:49 AM   #81
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Swamp dragon, yep he was undefeated (with those ratings it's easy yo see why!).
Luckily for me, there are some really good articles on Barry at Cyberboxing and at the International boxing hall of fame sites.

He really was a fantastic fighter who could really do it all. He was never the same after killing an opponent and the vast majority of his draws come after this event.

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Old 01-17-2004, 12:30 PM   #82
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Carl Duane

Another Bantam/Feather to throw into the mix.


Carl Duane
Bantamweight/Featherweight USA
Career 1920-1929
Overall Rating 9

CFB/S 11/9
HP 3
KD 1
KO 3
REC 2
CUTS 1
AP 1
KI 7
AGG 5
END 9
DEF 0
FS 0
FR 2
DP 1
COND 3
INT 7
FI 2
FO 3
CU 2
KO 2
PL 44
CP 44
PM 65
CL 72
STYLE - BOXER
FOULS - SELDOM
JAB 16.75/3
HOOK 26/4
CROSS 14.5
COMB 20.25/5.5
UPP 10

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Old 01-17-2004, 12:37 PM   #83
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What Next?

As well as my ongoing 1960-62 rating project I am going to rate some of the great forgotten black fighters of the early part of last century (for example like the recent rating I gave of Black Bill).

Using the Caramel Covered Kings website and other sources I will rate the following guys who are currently missing from the game.

Heavy
Frank Childs

Middle
George Cole
Larry Temple
Jack McVey

Welter
Young Peter Jackson
Dave Holly
Rufe Turner
Eddie Palmer
Arthur Stignall

Light
Steve Crosby
Leo Johnson
Leo Patterson

Feather
Harry Lyons
Chick Sugos
Danny Edwards

That should keep me busy for a while! If there are any other particular black fighters of the period I have left out pls let me know and I will add them to the list.

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Old 01-17-2004, 12:46 PM   #84
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Great idea, Dean.

Can't believe Barry and Duane weren't already in, but thanks for rating them. They're definite adds.

Per our discussion yesterday, check your e-mail.
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Old 01-18-2004, 05:21 AM   #85
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Danny Edwards

Here is the first of the forgotten black fighters of the early part of the century Danny Edwards.
As ever pls add him and Carl Duane to Cornerwork.


Danny Edwards
Featherweight USA
Career 1916-1926
Overall Rating 7


CFB/S 8/8
HP 1
KD 2
KO 1
REC 0
CUTS 1
AP 1
KI 4
AGG 5
END 10
DEF -2
FS 2
FR 1
DP 1
COND 3
INT 7
FI 2
FO 3
CU 3
KO 0
PL 36
CP 40
PM 59
CL 70
STYLE - BOXER
FOULS - SELDOM
JAB 26
HOOK 14.75
CROSS 24
COMB 24
UPP 11.25

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Old 01-18-2004, 08:59 AM   #86
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Chick Suggs

Pls add the following fighter to Cornerwork.

Chick Suggs
Featherweight USA
Career 1921-1929
Overall Rating 10

CFB/S 11/11
HP 2
KD 1
KO 1
REC 1
CUTS 1
AP 1
KI 6
AGG 9
END 9
DEF 0
FS 1
FR 2
DP 4
COND 2
INT 7
FI 3
FO 2
CU 1
KO 1
PL 44
CP 40
PM 65
CL 73
STYLE - SLUGGER
FOULS - OCC
JAB 18.5
HOOK 22/2.5
CROSS 15
COMB 24/3.5
UPP 14.75/6.75

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Old 01-18-2004, 07:09 PM   #87
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CornerWork wuz here
(grabbed the latest fighter ratings)
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Old 01-18-2004, 11:46 PM   #88
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Here are some fighters for the Strawweight/minimumweight division...a greatly ignored division...nobody spectacular but some fighters to flesh out the division.

Hideyuki Ohashi
Japan - Strawweight
Boxrec - 003621
fought from 1985-1993
19 wins - 5 losses - 0 draws (12 KO's)

fought 4 fighters featured in the game...lost to Chana Porpaoin, was TKO'd by Ricardo Lopez and lost twice by TKO to Jung-Koo Chang. He KO'd Jum-Hwan Choi. Some of these fighters appear as Junior-fly in the game but at those low weights there is a bit of jumping. I got good results with these ratings.

CtlB-7
CtlS-7
HP-6
ChKD-5
ChKO-1
Rec-5
Cuts-2
AP-3
KI-6
Agg-7
End-8
Def-(2)
FS-2
on ropes-1

DP-2
Cond-2
Int-6
Prof-10

FI-2
FO-1
Coverup-2
Go for KO-2
Clinch-68

Slugger
Fouls-Seldom

Punch-34
Counter-36
missed-62
overall rating - 4

jabs- 15/2
Hooks- 17.25/4
Cross- 17.25/4
Combo- 16.75/3
uppercuts- 17.5/3.25




Kusuo Eguchi - (Left-handed!)
Japan - Strawweight
Boxrec - 013442
fought from 1989-1997
14 wins - 11 losses - 2 draws (5 KO's)

fought 2 fighters in the game for a total of 3 fights....all losses. He was KO'd by Andy Tabanas twice and lost a unanimous decision to Ernesto Rubillar. He also fought his brother Katsuaki who I will post at a later date.

CtrlB-7
CtrlS-6
HP-3
ChKD-5
ChKO-5
Rec-5
Cuts-1
AP-3
KI-5
End-7
Def-(6)
FS-3
Onropes-3

DP-1
Cond-4
Intellect-4
Pro-10

FI-1
FO-1
Coverup-1
GoforKO-1
Clinch-69

Type-Either
Fouls-Seldom

Punch-34
counter-34
missed-63
overall rating-1

jabs- 19.5/1
hooks- 18.5/2
Crosses- 18.5/2
combos- 17.5/1
uppercuts- 18.5/1.50

I've got lots more...just finding the time to post is difficult...But once I have my IPBA universe in full swing...I'll definately post more.

But I felt obligated to get something out there with all the great work everybody else is doing.

Enjoy,

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Old 01-19-2004, 10:13 AM   #89
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Cornerwork...please pick these up...thanks
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Got 'em...Thanks Ras!
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Old 01-19-2004, 08:38 PM   #91
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<b>What Next?</b>

Following Dean's lead, I am volunteering for one division of the rating labors. I am going to rate several Jewish boxers, primarily from the 1920's and 30's. Using the website <a href="http://jewsinsports.org/" target="_target">jewsinsports.org</a> and print sources in addition to Boxrec, I will draw up the following boxers who are missing from the game.

<b>Heavyweight</b>
Henry Cooper (1935-46)
Jack Gross
Art Lasky
Ted Sandwina

<b>Light Heavyweight</b>
Alex Bader
Abie Bain
Jack Bloomfield
Abe Feldman
Yale Okun

<b>Middleweight</b>
Phil "K. O." Kaplan
Augie Ratner
Erich Seelig

<b>Welterweight</b>
Oakland Jimmy Duffy
Willie Harmon
Andre Jessurun

<b>Lightweight</b>
Phil Baker
Joe Benjamin
Phil Bloom
Lew Feldman
Joe Glick
Meyer Grace
Julie Kogon
Johnny Mendelsohn
Jack Portney
Solly Seeman
Benny Valgar
Sammy Vogel
Joey Zodda

<b>Featherweight</b>
Barney Abel
Benny Brostoff
Sammy Dorfman
Bernie "Schoolboy" Friedkin
Danny Frush
Maurice Holtzer
K. O. Mars
Joey Sangor

<b>Bantamweight</b>
Archie Bell--already finished and posted
Joe Burman
Mickey Cohen
Young Montreal
Hymie Wiseman

<b>Flyweight</b>
Davey Adelman
Phil Tobias
Manny Wexler

If anyone has already rated any of these guys--or if anyone has other Jewish boxers to suggest--please let me know.
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Old 01-20-2004, 02:09 AM   #92
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David,
that's a great project and will be really useful in fleshing out some divisions of the time period.

Anyone else? the great thing about dividing up the work like this is that we get so much more accomplished.

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Old 01-20-2004, 09:31 AM   #93
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I think I already rated Davey Adelman for TF2001
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Rasmuth;

I know there's not enough time in the day, but ...

1. Post him (Adelman) if you've got him.
2. Check your e-mail re:fighter ratings. It's set.
3. And about that Ron Stander referee rating ... LOL!

Seriously, I appreciate your efforts. Keep up the good work.
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yup...I'll post Adelman tonight and Stander too. I still have TF2001 on my computer with all the fighters I rated...slowly transferring them over.
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Guys...I rated Adelman as a Bantamweight...this is what Boxrec indicated.

Name: Davey Adelman
Nickname:
Country:USA
Weight class: Bantamweight
W-L-D, KOs: 38-26-4, 7 KO’s
Career: 1924-1933
BoxRec:009857
Born:
Died:

Comments: Adelman was a better fighter than his record indicates. See Boxrec for more details

Style/Fouls Boxer/Seldom
CFB/S 8/8
HP 1
CKD 2
CKO 1
REC 1
CUTS 1
AP 2
KI 7
AGG 8
END 8
DEF 0
FSt 1
ORo 2
DrP 2
CON 2
INT 7
PRF 10
FI 2
FO 3
CU 3
GFK 0
CLI 70
Punches:
J 24/1.5
H 18/x
CR 16.75/x
CB 22.75/1.5
UC 15/x
PL 40
CP 38
PM 63
Overall 6

Creator: Rasmuth

I'm interested in comments!

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Thanks in advance, Rasmuth, for your ratings of Davey Adelman. I'll strike him off my list.
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Ok...Ron Stander the referee...Hard to tell from one fight. But he did do a nice job...even though the decision by the judges was bull****!

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Ron Stander
U.S.
Active
Judgement - 15
Fouls - Normal
Stoppage - Normal

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Rasmuth;
Thanks for both. They look good. Less work for me ...! LOL

I'll try to reciprocate with some tomorrow.
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The first of my promised Jewish boxers.

<b><font size=3>Phil Bloom</b></font>
"The Ring Gorilla"
Lightweight
b. 1894-10-24
London, England
Career, 1911-23
Record: 17-14-6 (7) with 40 no decisions (<a href="http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=011847" target="_blank">Boxrec</a>)
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;43-22-11 (15) with 99 no decisions (<a href="http://jewsinsports.org/profile.asp?sport=boxing&ID=58" target="_blank">Jews in Sports</a>)

Style: Boxer
Fouls frequently

CFB/S 9/10
HP 1
CKD 2
CKO 1
REC 2
CUTS 2
AP 2
KI 5
AGG 6
END 9
DEF 0
FS 2
OR 2
DP 2
CON 2
INT 8
PRF 10
FI 1
FO 2
CU 2
GK 1
CLI 65
Punches
J 21.25/0
H 16.25/0
CR 25/0
CB 17.5/0
UC 20/0
PL 36
CP 34
PM 62
Rate 5

Bloom fought the immortal Benny Leonard six times, being knocked out by him twice. (He was only knocked out three times in his career, according to Boxrec.) He also lost twice to George Chaney, and fought to no decisions against Jack Britton, Freddie Welsh, Rocky Kansas, Ted "Kid" Lewis, Johnny Dundee, and Leo Johnson.
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