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Old 07-05-2008, 10:33 AM   #41
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In the Fighters Greyvenstein reports that in 1857 Mahmoud and Japie were fined 5 shillings each for a milling match in Capetown. This is, apparently, the first reported pugilistic event in South Africa.

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In the Fighters Greyvenstein reports that in 1857 Mahmoud and Japie were fined 5 shillings each for a milling match in Capetown. This is, apparently, the first reported pugilistic event in South Africa.

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Is The Fighters still widely available? I am just now reading Bare Fists.
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Is The Fighters still widely available? I am just now reading Bare Fists.
It was a South African publication and not often found now-a-days.

Check the adavnced book exchange

A link to ABE can be found here.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2519308

If you don't find one on shopping on ABE try Lion Street books. Mark Williams may have one there. Mark is a nice guy but somewhat pricey and shipping from the UK costs an arm and a leg.

The late Chris Greyvenstein, was an IBRO member, and The Fighters is the best single volume history of boxing in South Africa. Book was published in 1981. Great photos, as Tosti can tell you. Biographical information on guys like Couper, Jeptha, and Laurie Stevens.

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Eugene Rowan

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sex male
division featherweight
nationality United States
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
won 4 (KO 0) + lost 4 (KO 1) + drawn 7 = 15
128 lbs
1895-1900
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
born 1874
125-130
career span 1894-1900
TB 33 W 4 (2 ko, 2 wd) D 4 L 5 (2 ld, 3 kb) ND 20 EX 1
Boxrec gives 4 of the ND bouts newspaper results, 3 decision wins
vs. Lenny, Boyle, and Bradley and a draw vs. Cleary.
3 decision loses and 6 draws are added by boxrec beyond what is given in Schutte
Early no-decision era Philly boxer

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nationality United States
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
won 38 (KO 8) + lost 33 (KO 4) + drawn 24 = 95
1904-1913
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135 lbs
TB 67 W 7 (6 ko 1 wd) D 1 L 2 (2 kb) ND 57

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Jerome Quigley

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Global ID 64550
sex male
division lightweight
nationality United States
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
won 3 (KO 0) + lost 7 (KO 4) + drawn 6 = 20
1894-1900
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
born 1869
died 1947-10-11
135-150
career span 1892-1900
TB 32 W 7 (1 ko 6 wd) D 4 L 12 (4 ld 1 lf 7 kb) ND 9
boxrec has newspaper results for ND vs Cleary and McPartland as a w and loss respectively
Shutte's wd 4 vs Young Griffo is given as an ND in boxrec
1 additional wd, 1 draw, and 2 ND's are found in boxrec
Has a losing record, but faced some big name competition
4 straight ko losses steered him into retirement

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Billy Payne

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division welterweight
nationality United States
residence Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
won 10 (KO 3) + lost 23 (KO 9) + drawn 19 = 58
1895-1907
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
135-145
career span 1895-1912 including a 1 bout 1912 comeback after 1907 retirement
TB 72 W 14 (ko 8 wd 6) D 6 L 23 (11 ld 2 lf 10 kb) ND 29

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nationality United States
residence Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
won 4 (KO 1) + lost 3 (KO 2) + drawn 1 = 8
1902-1908
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
133-140
career span 1901-1908
TB 19 W 8 ( ko 6 wd 2) D 6 L 5 (3 ld 2 kb) EX 2
boxrec adds 2 wins and a ko loss not in Schutte

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Global ID 69205
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division lightweight
nationality United States
residence
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 6 (KO 1) + drawn 3 = 9
1903-1908
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
born 1883
122-130
career span 1901-1911
TB 36 W 7 (ko 6 wd 1) D 8 L 18 (ld 15 KB 3)
boxrec adds 2 decision losses and alters one ND to a draw
Lost decision bout to Harry Forbes and Benny Yanger, drew with Forbes
Claimed a win over Austin Rice
Home appears to have been Chicago since most of his fighting centered in the midwest.

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1855-1863
2 KO wins 2 KB losses 2 EX
1855-12-15 KO 45 rounds 51 minutes Jimmy Hart
LW Championship of America
1856-07-19 KOB 10 or 17 Jimmy Hart
LW Championship of America
reclaimed title when Hart retired
1857-09-02 L KOB 80 rounds 3 hours 20 minutes Young Barney Aaron
Prize Ring LW title bout
1857-11-23 EX 3 Jimmy Hart
1860-07-17 KO 80 Harry McClain
1863-04-16 EX 2 Hen Winckle

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Hughey Murphy

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birth date 1880-05-30
death date 1952-10-12
division lightweight
nationality United States
residence New York, New York, United States
birth place New York, NY
won 15 (KO 4) + lost 10 (KO 6) + drawn 5 = 30
1899-1906
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born (Walter Dickie)
118-125
1900-1906
TB 24 W 7 (3 ko 4 wd) D 5 L 9 (1 ld 1 lf 7 kb) ND 2
the 1899 bout in boxrec is a duplicate of the 1893 bout in which Eugene McCarthy died.
I assume it to be an error and that Murphy's career began in 1900
box rec has 2 of his draws as newspaper decision wins
a Schutte ko loss to Austin Rice is given as a decision loss
2 ND's are presented as a win over Young Murphy and a draw with Rice
4 additional decision wins,1 draw and 1 decision loss are also given in boxrec

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division featherweight
nationality United States
residence New York, New York, United States
birth name Eugene O'Connell
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 1 = 2
1902-1903
died 1903-01-21
Died after being stopped by Hughey Murphy in 15

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division lightweight
nationality United States
residence Boston, Massachusetts, United States
won 2 (KO 2) + lost 7 (KO 3) + drawn 4 = 13
1895-1903
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
born 1875-12-06 Lake Verd, Canada
5'5 130-135
1893-1903 as career span
TB 43 W 23 (15 ko 7 wd 1 wf) D 11 L 7 (2 ld 1 lf 4kb) ND 3
boxrec adds 2 decision losses, 1 draw, and 1 tko win
Schutte has him stopping Young Peter jackson in 4 in 1897

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nationality United States
residence Baltimore, Maryland, United States
won 16 (KO 9) + lost 16 (KO 7) + drawn 7 = 40
1895-1907
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
5'9 135-145
1898-1908 as career span
TB 44 W 20 (13 ko 7 wd) D 6 L 17 (6 ld 1 lf 10 kb) ND 1
A lot of differences between Schutte and box rec
Schutte's ko loss to Joe Gans gived a a LD. 1 Ko loss changed to a DQ loss
1 KO loss changed to a Ko win, and another Ko loss changed to a draw
1 ND is changed to a newspaper win
Also added are 1 KO win 1 WF 3 D 1 KB 3 LD 2 LF and 1 ND

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Global ID 17462
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division lightweight
nationality United States
residence
won 16 (KO 3) + lost 8 (KO 3) + drawn 6 = 30
1907-1914
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
him as Henry Meyers
115-130
career span 1907-1914
TB 15 W 2 (wd 2) D3 L 7 (ld 3 lf 1 kb 3) ND 7
It appears like he boxed mainly as a bantamweight
May have made Boston his home

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Ambrose McGarry

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Global ID 165700
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division welterweight
nationality United States
alias Amby
residence
won 12 (KO 3) + lost 12 (KO 2) + drawn 4 = 30
1905-1910
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Amby McGarry
born 1884-10-18
5' 7 130-135
same career span as boxrec
TB 49 W 7 (ko 4 wd 2 wf 1) D 1 L (ld 4 kb 3) ND 34
Boxrec gives even results for 15 of Schutte's ND results: 7 wins 7 loses and a draw.
A reported KO win over Young Kenny was changed to a NC because police halted the bout after Amby threw Kenny down.
New are 1 KO win, 3 WD's and 2 LD's
Appears to have been what the English term a useful fighter in the no decision era. Held is own versus stiff competition.
Given his competition, the .500 record given by boxrec is quite laudable.
Not sure where he hung his hat. Most of his activity centered in New York City and in philadelphia where he debuted.
I gave him a HP of 3 using my understanding of the old Trunzo formula from the old manual and made no -2 deduction for low level competition.

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Global ID 57936
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division heavyweight
nationality United States
residence Rochester, New York, United States
won 3 (KO 2) + lost 6 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 9
1897-1912
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
born 1875 Galway, Ireland
5' 10 145-170
Career span 1894-1903
TB 53 W 33 (ko 22 wd 11) D 6 L 11 (ld 5 kb 6) ND 3
Boxrec changes 1 win to a loss and 1 loss to a win
adds 2 more losses, one in 1903 and a 1912 loss to Art Pelky in a comeback bout in 1912 after retiring in 1903
Schutte reports that he became a referee in Goldfield, Nevada after retiring in '03 and later promoted figths in Butte
His record reminded me a lot of Lamar Clark's career

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won 1 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 1 = 3
1881-1885
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Charlie McCoy
died 1888-02-23 in Philadelphia
130 lbs
Career span 1881-1886
TB 15 W 8 (5 ko 2 wd 1 wf) D 1 L 6 (lf 1, kb 5) EX 4
All 3 boxrec results are in Schutte
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won 4 (KO 0) + lost 18 (KO 2) + drawn 8 = 31
1900-1907
Schutte's American Supplement of Boxing 1989 has
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career span 1902-1907
TB 57 W 5 (ko 3 wf 2) D 5 L 5 (ld 1 kb 4) ND 42
Likely home was Philadelphia
A no decision era opponent with a decent chin.

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