Post Here any Errors in Historical Transactions

Gambo · 06-20-2011, 04:59 PM

If you want to post specific errors or omissions please refer to the Thread Below.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ions-here.html

A lot of work was put into the new historical transaction database but of course there are bound to be some errors. This thread is for you guys to post these errors so we can get them corrected as soon as possible.

When you find an error or an omitted transaction the 1st thing you should do is look at baseball-reference.com and check and see what their record of the transaction is. Often you may be surprised and the transactions are correct.

Some issues you may see that are not errors are...
1) Error Destination Team - This simply means the team does not exist in the game such as minor league teams, expansion teams that have yet to be created. These players will go the Free Agents.
2) Player Already Retired - This means the player has (according to the game) retired and the transaction is invalid.
3) The David Clyde (and others) issue - David Clyde was drafted in June 1973 and played his 1st game that season. He imports for the start of the 1973 season and is available the entire year. This is not an error but rather a limit of the game at this point.
4) Players are on opening day rosters who did not join team until later - This should only be an issue your import season as the game imports based on the historicaldatabase's 1st listed stint for the player. If a player was signed on May 22nd by Cleveland and played for nobody else prior to that year he will be with Cleveland on the initial import since that is the 1st team he played for that year. We are currently devising a work around for this.

And since I got the ball rolling here is the 1st error...

Dutch Zwilling played for the Chicago Whales in the Federal League in 1914 and 1915, unfortunately, source database has this as the Chicago Cubs. He will go to the Cubs instead of the Federal League (Free Agent). This will be fixed in an update.

jwisenberg · 06-20-2011, 07:27 PM

I do have a question regarding the transactions. I have looked over the file format of the database and it seems pretty straight forward. Can we add in minor league promotions/demotions. When I purchased the game I presumed that when it stated real life transactions/lineups the rosters would be set at 25 (or whatever the roster limit of that year was) instead of having all players active. I would be willing to help assist in adding this data if needed.

Questdog · 06-20-2011, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwisenberg

I do have a question regarding the transactions. I have looked over the file format of the database and it seems pretty straight forward. Can we add in minor league promotions/demotions. When I purchased the game I presumed that when it stated real life transactions/lineups the rosters would be set at 25 (or whatever the roster limit of that year was) instead of having all players active. I would be willing to help assist in adding this data if needed.

This information does not exist for much of baseball's history and to insure that a player who is scheduled to play in any particular game actually plays all players need to be on the active roster for now. Possibly in the future, we can come up with better methods, but right now this is the only option.

For the team you are managing, you are free to limit the roster to whatever you want, but the computer controlled teams need to have all their players active.

Gambo · 06-20-2011, 08:48 PM

Not all players are active as you still have an active roster and a reserve roster (which is your minor leagues). Also, properly doing the promotions and demotions is nearly impossible as teams often go days with less than 25 players on their roster. You'd think this information is readily available even in this day and age but specific dates and movements are still questionable AND get exponentially so when you go back even 10 years. As someone who tracked this stuff for replays for other games it is an exercise in futility and eventually you resort to guesstimating.

Don't get me wrong. I think something like this would be a great. In a basic format it is possible using the current design of the database but it is not how it is designed.

Anyway, I'd like to keep this thread to only the errors that are noted in the database as this is going to be the best way to track this stuff.

If you have any other questions or comments by all means post, I think this is a great new feature.

raiderheel9304 · 06-20-2011, 11:19 PM

I replayed 1991 earlier today and found no transaction for the drug suspension of Otis Nixon from Sept. 16 till the end of the season. This was a big deal in a tight NL West race.

But enough criticism...thanks so much for OOTP 12!

Hasta la vista pelota · 06-20-2011, 11:45 PM

My apologies if this isn't what you're looking for, but I've noticed a couple of cases where a player doesn't appear in the real-life lineup, it's just a blank in his batting spot. He's also not on the team roster.

A player search reveals the player, and when I went into the editor and assigned him to a team and then activated him, it was OK.

See 1941 Dodgers opening day roster, missing Mickey Owen, as an example.

Gambo · 06-21-2011, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasta la vista pelota

My apologies if this isn't what you're looking for, but I've noticed a couple of cases where a player doesn't appear in the real-life lineup, it's just a blank in his batting spot. He's also not on the team roster.

A player search reveals the player, and when I went into the editor and assigned him to a team and then activated him, it was OK.

See 1941 Dodgers opening day roster, missing Mickey Owen, as an example.

This is exactly what I'm looking for. If you started in 1941 Owen should be on the Broolyn roster AND if you started prior to that he should be traded from St. Louis to them on 12/4/40. I'll take a look at the database and see what happened. Can you take a look at the history on his player page and tell me what you see.

Also, give me the names of any other players you have come across.

Gambo · 06-21-2011, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raiderheel9304

I replayed 1991 earlier today and found no transaction for the drug suspension of Otis Nixon from Sept. 16 till the end of the season. This was a big deal in a tight NL West race.

But enough criticism...thanks so much for OOTP 12!

Otis Nixon crucial in a playoff race? Comeon!

But he was a good utility OF and pinch runner for that team and would have played alot in the WS with the DH option available.

Anyway, sorry, suspensions are not in the transaction database. They fall under the same criteria as injuries in that it would be difficult to track this stuff correctly. Suspensions are iffy as a player may get suspended, appeal and then get activated and then get the suspension upheld.

I do agree though Drug Suspension may fall under a different criteria than regular injuries and other suspensions since it's the league removing a player from a team due to something off the field. If a list could be devised that includes all these suspensions something may be able to be done. Technically these are there for players like the Black Sox and Steve Howe who missed entire seasons and are removed when "players miss seasons according to history is enabled"

bjenglert77 · 06-21-2011, 02:08 PM

Is anybody else like me? I want to be able to play a historical season using real transactions and lineups, but I want to be able to adjust my own team's lineup based on the players made available to me. I want to use real lineups because the program has yet to ditch the bad habit of batting catchers leadoff and Rickey Henderson third.

As far as I can tell, I can't figure out a way to play under real lineups, yet be able to manage my own roster.

Gambo · 06-21-2011, 02:24 PM

Since this thread has deferred to more of a discussion of the new features I have started another thread to post specific errors

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ions-here.html

raiderheel9304 · 06-21-2011, 05:19 PM

Nixon led the league in stolen bases in 1991, and his replacement was....Lonnis Smith. He made a big difference.

But I digress...why can't a transaction list be made that includes all player movement, suspensions and injuries, much like other sims are able to do? I have always said that the ability to play a season exactly as it was played in real life is the ONLY thing between OOTP and total domination of the text based baseball market...and it is. I own them all.

pstrickert · 06-21-2011, 05:36 PM

I created a file of historical DL transactions. It might not be 100% accurate, but it presumably could be used as a start. In OOTP13, maybe?

Gambo · 06-22-2011, 04:44 PM

Here's a quick something I stumbled on. If you want to see the transactions for your 1st year between 1/1 and opening day. Just go to your league setup/historical and click off and on again real transactions. It will reload the file and the transactions will start from 1/1.

Hasta la vista pelota · 06-23-2011, 03:42 AM

Is there a way to edit the real-life transactions? Playing 1941, I would like Stan Musial to be a September call up instead of being on the Cardinals' active roster all season.

Gambo · 06-23-2011, 09:48 AM

At this point no.

M's rule · 06-23-2011, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambo

Here's a quick something I stumbled on. If you want to see the transactions for your 1st year between 1/1 and opening day. Just go to your league setup/historical and click off and on again real transactions. It will reload the file and the transactions will start from 1/1.

Gambo, this is a MAJOR discovery. It completely solves the problem of players who were released early in the year and re-signed by the same team during the season. (See Charlie Gehringer and Chuck Klein, both in 1942.)

I think this reload of the transactions file (and the lineups file, if appropriate) should be automatically done inside the game for the sake of best accuracy during the early months of that first season. Or could the initial load of those databases be rescheduled to occur when it would produce this result? (I suspect not.)

Either way, this great discovery needs to lead to something more than a workaround. Not that it isn't a marvelous one. . . .

Gambo · 06-24-2011, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjenglert77

Is anybody else like me? I want to be able to play a historical season using real transactions and lineups, but I want to be able to adjust my own team's lineup based on the players made available to me. I want to use real lineups because the program has yet to ditch the bad habit of batting catchers leadoff and Rickey Henderson third.

As far as I can tell, I can't figure out a way to play under real lineups, yet be able to manage my own roster.

This is currently being looked at and possibly fixed in the patch. If true, then this would be a great expansion for this feature. I hoping we can have at some point both the user and computer use 25 man rosters so we can actually run the team on field and the computer will field the best 25 and use as close to the actual lineup as possible.

mparks19732 · 08-11-2011, 09:03 PM

I am doing historical replay with real transactions and real lineups in 1946 as Cubs. Once I get into my first date I then check the use real transactions and lineup boxes and load the proper as played schedule. So far all games have proper starters. I can change anyone out. I also run computer manager on all teams including mine. That activates everyone. Bit I use Baseball References site to sub only the people who played that day. As long as you use 1919 or later it shows the players. You just need to search for it.

06-20-2011, 04:59 PM	#1
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	Post Here any Errors in Historical Transactions If you want to post specific errors or omissions please refer to the Thread Below. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ions-here.html A lot of work was put into the new historical transaction database but of course there are bound to be some errors. This thread is for you guys to post these errors so we can get them corrected as soon as possible. When you find an error or an omitted transaction the 1st thing you should do is look at baseball-reference.com and check and see what their record of the transaction is. Often you may be surprised and the transactions are correct. Some issues you may see that are not errors are... 1) Error Destination Team - This simply means the team does not exist in the game such as minor league teams, expansion teams that have yet to be created. These players will go the Free Agents. 2) Player Already Retired - This means the player has (according to the game) retired and the transaction is invalid. 3) The David Clyde (and others) issue - David Clyde was drafted in June 1973 and played his 1st game that season. He imports for the start of the 1973 season and is available the entire year. This is not an error but rather a limit of the game at this point. 4) Players are on opening day rosters who did not join team until later - This should only be an issue your import season as the game imports based on the historicaldatabase's 1st listed stint for the player. If a player was signed on May 22nd by Cleveland and played for nobody else prior to that year he will be with Cleveland on the initial import since that is the 1st team he played for that year. We are currently devising a work around for this. And since I got the ball rolling here is the 1st error... Dutch Zwilling played for the Chicago Whales in the Federal League in 1914 and 1915, unfortunately, source database has this as the Chicago Cubs. He will go to the Cubs instead of the Federal League (Free Agent). This will be fixed in an update. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com Last edited by Gambo; 06-21-2011 at 02:25 PM.

06-20-2011, 08:48 PM	#4
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	Not all players are active as you still have an active roster and a reserve roster (which is your minor leagues). Also, properly doing the promotions and demotions is nearly impossible as teams often go days with less than 25 players on their roster. You'd think this information is readily available even in this day and age but specific dates and movements are still questionable AND get exponentially so when you go back even 10 years. As someone who tracked this stuff for replays for other games it is an exercise in futility and eventually you resort to guesstimating. Don't get me wrong. I think something like this would be a great. In a basic format it is possible using the current design of the database but it is not how it is designed. Anyway, I'd like to keep this thread to only the errors that are noted in the database as this is going to be the best way to track this stuff. If you have any other questions or comments by all means post, I think this is a great new feature. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

06-20-2011, 11:19 PM	#5
raiderheel9304 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 21	otis nixon's 1991 drug suspension I replayed 1991 earlier today and found no transaction for the drug suspension of Otis Nixon from Sept. 16 till the end of the season. This was a big deal in a tight NL West race. But enough criticism...thanks so much for OOTP 12!

06-21-2011, 02:08 PM	#9
bjenglert77 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 47	Historical Play Is anybody else like me? I want to be able to play a historical season using real transactions and lineups, but I want to be able to adjust my own team's lineup based on the players made available to me. I want to use real lineups because the program has yet to ditch the bad habit of batting catchers leadoff and Rickey Henderson third. As far as I can tell, I can't figure out a way to play under real lineups, yet be able to manage my own roster.

06-21-2011, 02:24 PM	#10
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	Since this thread has deferred to more of a discussion of the new features I have started another thread to post specific errors http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ions-here.html __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

06-20-2011, 07:27 PM	#2
jwisenberg OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 858	I do have a question regarding the transactions. I have looked over the file format of the database and it seems pretty straight forward. Can we add in minor league promotions/demotions. When I purchased the game I presumed that when it stated real life transactions/lineups the rosters would be set at 25 (or whatever the roster limit of that year was) instead of having all players active. I would be willing to help assist in adding this data if needed.

06-20-2011, 11:45 PM	#6
Hasta la vista pelota Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 137	My apologies if this isn't what you're looking for, but I've noticed a couple of cases where a player doesn't appear in the real-life lineup, it's just a blank in his batting spot. He's also not on the team roster. A player search reveals the player, and when I went into the editor and assigned him to a team and then activated him, it was OK. See 1941 Dodgers opening day roster, missing Mickey Owen, as an example.

06-21-2011, 05:19 PM	#11
raiderheel9304 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 21	otis nixon... Nixon led the league in stolen bases in 1991, and his replacement was....Lonnis Smith. He made a big difference. But I digress...why can't a transaction list be made that includes all player movement, suspensions and injuries, much like other sims are able to do? I have always said that the ability to play a season exactly as it was played in real life is the ONLY thing between OOTP and total domination of the text based baseball market...and it is. I own them all.

06-21-2011, 05:36 PM	#12
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,741	I created a file of historical DL transactions. It might not be 100% accurate, but it presumably could be used as a start. In OOTP13, maybe?

06-22-2011, 04:44 PM	#13
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	Here's a quick something I stumbled on. If you want to see the transactions for your 1st year between 1/1 and opening day. Just go to your league setup/historical and click off and on again real transactions. It will reload the file and the transactions will start from 1/1. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

06-23-2011, 03:42 AM	#14
Hasta la vista pelota Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 137	Is there a way to edit the real-life transactions? Playing 1941, I would like Stan Musial to be a September call up instead of being on the Cardinals' active roster all season.

06-23-2011, 09:48 AM	#15
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	At this point no. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

08-11-2011, 09:03 PM	#18
mparks19732 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 30	Try this I am doing historical replay with real transactions and real lineups in 1946 as Cubs. Once I get into my first date I then check the use real transactions and lineup boxes and load the proper as played schedule. So far all games have proper starters. I can change anyone out. I also run computer manager on all teams including mine. That activates everyone. Bit I use Baseball References site to sub only the people who played that day. As long as you use 1919 or later it shows the players. You just need to search for it.