and this is what is really wrong with boxing

zyberianwarrior · 08-02-2019, 11:12 AM

https://www.ringtv.com/573249-press-...0891Kacm6c3tRU

hamed2 · 08-02-2019, 01:24 PM

In Canelo's case, he really doesn't need multiple or any belts to be an attraction. I'd rather see him fight a guy like Callum Smith anyway @ 168, that could be a very good & tough fight for Canelo.

Smith is big/long & can both box & punch.

Antonin · 08-02-2019, 11:26 PM

Wow. What a farce.

Cap · 08-03-2019, 03:07 PM

Gee. An ABC outfit stripping a title from a fighter for no apparent reason. Hard to believe, eh.

Imagine that. Tsk tsk. I, for one, am shocked. Shocked I say!

Well, I have a spare championship belt here he can have. It's made of paper but it looks nice.

Cap

zyberianwarrior · 08-03-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap

Gee. An ABC outfit stripping a title from a fighter for no apparent reason. Hard to believe, eh.

Imagine that. Tsk tsk. I, for one, am shocked. Shocked I say!

Well, I have a spare championship belt here he can have. It's made of paper but it looks nice.

Cap

way to go Cap

Antonin · 08-03-2019, 10:04 PM

As I've said elsewhere, I have not followed boxing for the last couple years. But tonight I turned on the t.v. to watch Arreola v Kownacki, and happened to see the end of Pascal v Brown.

Pascal won something called the "WBA interim light heavyweight championship."

What the bleep is an "interim" championship?

Nothing has changed...

hamed2 · 08-04-2019, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonin

As I've said elsewhere, I have not followed boxing for the last couple years. But tonight I turned on the t.v. to watch Arreola v Kownacki, and happened to see the end of Pascal v Brown.

Pascal won something called the "WBA interim light heavyweight championship."

What the bleep is an "interim" championship?

Nothing has changed...

It's the WBA wanting to have more than 1 champ so they can get more $.

If you have not followed boxing for the last couple of years you picked a good night to tune in, that was a pretty good/exciting card last night. Not one boring clinch fest in all 3 fights they showed.

Antonin · 08-04-2019, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed2

It's the WBA wanting to have more than 1 champ so they can get more $.

If you have not followed boxing for the last couple of years you picked a good night to tune in, that was a pretty good/exciting card last night. Not one boring clinch fest in all 3 fights they showed.

Yes. But watching all that jiggling flesh during Arreola v Kownacki, I couldn't help but think "We've come a long way from the magnificently chiseled specimen that was Mike Tyson at his peak."

Step forward step forward step forward hands up head bobbing left right left then cross cross cross UPPERCUT UPPERCUT!!!! And KO number 5,462 for Iron Mike...

hamed2 · 08-04-2019, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonin

Yes. But watching all that jiggling flesh during Arreola v Kownacki, I couldn't help but think "We've come a long way from the magnificently chiseled specimen that was Mike Tyson at his peak."

Step forward step forward step forward hands up head bobbing left right left then cross cross cross UPPERCUT UPPERCUT!!!! And KO number 5,462 for Iron Mike...

True, I was wondering about how fit they appeared - hard to believe they could throw as many punches as they did for that long. Adam admits his lack of fitness cost him a chance to fight AJ - instead of Ruiz.

Cap · 08-05-2019, 03:57 PM

Sorry, youngsters, but watching those two mugs pummelling each other made me think, back in the day they would have been, at best, prelim fighters or 'opponents' for guys like Scott Ledoux, Pinklon Thomas or Carl "The Truth" Williams, fodder to pad their records. I caught most of the Pascal V Brown slug-fest. Lots of action but no threats to guys like Marvin Johnson or a prime Bernard Hopkins.

Cap

Antonin · 08-05-2019, 08:36 PM

I'm not THAT young!

It's a real pity that the alphabet organizations are still around. What's wrong with accepting Ring Magazine's definition of a champion? Why can't the broadcasters and boxers settle on one single championship mechanism? These are rhetorical questions of course.

I remember a few years back, reading about "interim" champions and "super" champions and "gold" and "silver" champions... It reminds me of the later Roman Empire, when emperors kept mixing in other metals with gold and silver, so much that Roman coinage declined sharply in value.

hamed2 · 08-08-2019, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonin

I'm not THAT young!

It's a real pity that the alphabet organizations are still around. What's wrong with accepting Ring Magazine's definition of a champion? Why can't the broadcasters and boxers settle on one single championship mechanism? These are rhetorical questions of course.

I remember a few years back, reading about "interim" champions and "super" champions and "gold" and "silver" champions... It reminds me of the later Roman Empire, when emperors kept mixing in other metals with gold and silver, so much that Roman coinage declined sharply in value.

Years ago when George Foreman still called fights on HBO, Jim & Larry were also complaining about too many champs & George said the networks want to show some sort of title fight to attract viewers. I think Jim replied & George said back - "Well we're showing this one aren't we?"

swampdragon · 09-27-2019, 03:34 PM

As long as all of their premier attractions are on Pay Per View, the sport will continue to decline. They've elected to maximize revenue from a vanishing population of hard core fans rather than to increase the number of those fans.

hamed2 · 09-27-2019, 11:41 PM

MMA has more PPV fights than boxing - at least one a month & we keep hearing they're doing so well. Fox does a nice job with their coverage & glad to see how many boxing shows & fights they have on either Fox or their Fox sports stations.

swampdragon · 09-29-2019, 01:58 PM

MMA developed its fanbase on free TV, and it's now making the same mistake boxing has been making forever. Yes, there are some fights on Fox. FS1 showed a weigh-in, some prelims, and a post fight summary Saturday, but the biggest two fights on the card were PPV. It has been this way for a generation, and the fanbase will continue to decline until it changes,

hamed2 · 09-29-2019, 05:08 PM

Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) and Fox Sports couldn’t have asked for a stronger start to fight week.

Shoulder programming for Saturday’s Fox Sports Pay-Per-View headliner between welterweight titlists Errol Spence Jr. and Shawn Porter continues to be consumed in record-breaking numbers, including this weekend’s offering, all of which aired live on Fox’s flagship station.

The third and fourth installments of PBC Fight Camp: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter broke its own record on consecutive days.

Episode 3 aired this past Saturday, drawing a series-best average of 971,000 viewers according to Nielsen Media Research. That mark was nearly doubled by Episode 4, which aired on Sunday and averaged 1.706 million viewers. The installment was slotted immediately after the single-game offering of NFL on FOX in most markets (which showed the boxing-adjacent Dallas Cowboys trouncing the Miami Dolphins), while other markets aired the episode right before its Game of the Week.

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Looks like boxing has used UFC's model, will be interesting to see how this PPV did. I see Wilder's next fight is PPV vs. Ortiz, to me not a PPV type fight.

08-02-2019, 11:12 AM	#1
zyberianwarrior All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 1,461	and this is what is really wrong with boxing https://www.ringtv.com/573249-press-...0891Kacm6c3tRU

08-02-2019, 11:26 PM	#3
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,419	Wow. What a farce. __________________ Cultural icons, gone but not forgotten: David Bowie, Lou Reed, William S. Burroughs, Tristan Tzara, Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsburg, Jimi Hendrix, John Cage, Johnny Thunders (New York Dolls), Mike Hudson (The Pagans), Joey Ramone (Ramones), Stiv Bators (Dead Boys), Tomata Du Plenty (The Screamers), Joe Strummer (The Clash), Lester Bangs

08-03-2019, 03:07 PM	#4
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 4	Gee. An ABC outfit stripping a title from a fighter for no apparent reason. Hard to believe, eh. Imagine that. Tsk tsk. I, for one, am shocked. Shocked I say! Well, I have a spare championship belt here he can have. It's made of paper but it looks nice. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-03-2019, 10:04 PM	#6
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,419	As I've said elsewhere, I have not followed boxing for the last couple years. But tonight I turned on the t.v. to watch Arreola v Kownacki, and happened to see the end of Pascal v Brown. Pascal won something called the "WBA interim light heavyweight championship." What the bleep is an "interim" championship? Nothing has changed... __________________ Cultural icons, gone but not forgotten: David Bowie, Lou Reed, William S. Burroughs, Tristan Tzara, Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsburg, Jimi Hendrix, John Cage, Johnny Thunders (New York Dolls), Mike Hudson (The Pagans), Joey Ramone (Ramones), Stiv Bators (Dead Boys), Tomata Du Plenty (The Screamers), Joe Strummer (The Clash), Lester Bangs

08-05-2019, 03:57 PM	#10
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 4	Sorry, youngsters, but watching those two mugs pummelling each other made me think, back in the day they would have been, at best, prelim fighters or 'opponents' for guys like Scott Ledoux, Pinklon Thomas or Carl "The Truth" Williams, fodder to pad their records. I caught most of the Pascal V Brown slug-fest. Lots of action but no threats to guys like Marvin Johnson or a prime Bernard Hopkins. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-02-2019, 01:24 PM	#2
hamed2 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,094	In Canelo's case, he really doesn't need multiple or any belts to be an attraction. I'd rather see him fight a guy like Callum Smith anyway @ 168, that could be a very good & tough fight for Canelo. Smith is big/long & can both box & punch.

08-05-2019, 08:36 PM	#11
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,419	I'm not THAT young! It's a real pity that the alphabet organizations are still around. What's wrong with accepting Ring Magazine's definition of a champion? Why can't the broadcasters and boxers settle on one single championship mechanism? These are rhetorical questions of course. I remember a few years back, reading about "interim" champions and "super" champions and "gold" and "silver" champions... It reminds me of the later Roman Empire, when emperors kept mixing in other metals with gold and silver, so much that Roman coinage declined sharply in value. __________________ Cultural icons, gone but not forgotten: David Bowie, Lou Reed, William S. Burroughs, Tristan Tzara, Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsburg, Jimi Hendrix, John Cage, Johnny Thunders (New York Dolls), Mike Hudson (The Pagans), Joey Ramone (Ramones), Stiv Bators (Dead Boys), Tomata Du Plenty (The Screamers), Joe Strummer (The Clash), Lester Bangs Last edited by Antonin; 08-05-2019 at 08:42 PM.

09-27-2019, 03:34 PM	#13
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	As long as all of their premier attractions are on Pay Per View, the sport will continue to decline. They've elected to maximize revenue from a vanishing population of hard core fans rather than to increase the number of those fans. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

09-27-2019, 11:41 PM	#14
hamed2 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,094	MMA has more PPV fights than boxing - at least one a month & we keep hearing they're doing so well. Fox does a nice job with their coverage & glad to see how many boxing shows & fights they have on either Fox or their Fox sports stations.

09-29-2019, 01:58 PM	#15
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	MMA developed its fanbase on free TV, and it's now making the same mistake boxing has been making forever. Yes, there are some fights on Fox. FS1 showed a weigh-in, some prelims, and a post fight summary Saturday, but the biggest two fights on the card were PPV. It has been this way for a generation, and the fanbase will continue to decline until it changes, __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

09-29-2019, 05:08 PM	#16
hamed2 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,094	Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) and Fox Sports couldn’t have asked for a stronger start to fight week. Shoulder programming for Saturday’s Fox Sports Pay-Per-View headliner between welterweight titlists Errol Spence Jr. and Shawn Porter continues to be consumed in record-breaking numbers, including this weekend’s offering, all of which aired live on Fox’s flagship station. The third and fourth installments of PBC Fight Camp: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter broke its own record on consecutive days. Episode 3 aired this past Saturday, drawing a series-best average of 971,000 viewers according to Nielsen Media Research. That mark was nearly doubled by Episode 4, which aired on Sunday and averaged 1.706 million viewers. The installment was slotted immediately after the single-game offering of NFL on FOX in most markets (which showed the boxing-adjacent Dallas Cowboys trouncing the Miami Dolphins), while other markets aired the episode right before its Game of the Week. ----------------------------------------- Looks like boxing has used UFC's model, will be interesting to see how this PPV did. I see Wilder's next fight is PPV vs. Ortiz, to me not a PPV type fight.