Willie Mays a Closer?! (Possible Glitch)

congokurtz · 04-18-2017, 12:28 PM

Ok, I'm playing a historical league with the player development engine on, so I understand player careers will vary substancially from their real life stats, however the Willie Mays player that I had in my league doesn't even remotely resemble the real life Willie Mays. I have automatically import historical rookies and import and real minor leagues on. Currently I just finished the 1953 season and it dawned on me Willie Mays has not made his ML debut yet. So I searched for Willie Mays and what popped up was a closer who pitched one year (1946) in the minors in my sim and his real life stats shows him pitching two seasons in the minors, 46 and 48. The Willie Mays in my sim was born May 26 1924, the real life Willie Mays, according to baseball-reference.com was born May 6th, 1931. Both Willie Mays were born in a town called Westfield, but the sim Willie Mays was born in Maryland, while the real Willie Mays was born in Alabama. The real Willie Mays made his ML debut in 1951and played in the negro leagues in 48 and a minor league in 1950.

Anyway, this seems like a glitch to me. Has anyone else encounter this problem?

Thanks

Jamee999 · 04-18-2017, 12:39 PM

What import / historical development / etc settings do you have on?

Spritze · 04-18-2017, 02:47 PM

This bug started with build 40 when player import got broke. It should be fixed in the next few months.

congokurtz · 04-18-2017, 02:56 PM

The following settings are on: automatically import historical player-creation modifiers; import and maintain real minor leagues; base player roles/positions on real life stats; automatically adjust league strategy when advancing to next season; automatically import historical rookies; automatically adjust league modifiers after each season for accuracy; player development is on.

Just to clarify recalculation is off, so I understand players will vary substantially from their real life ratings.

The league started the 1920 season. I'm playing with real teams however real players enter the draft pool

David Watts · 04-18-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

This bug started with build 40 when player import got broke. It should be fixed in the next few months.

What exactly does this effect? Is this strictly for historical leagues using complete minors? I'm not going to see a pitching Willie Mays in a random debut league, am I?

Spritze · 04-18-2017, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

What exactly does this effect? Is this strictly for historical leagues using complete minors? I'm not going to see a pitching Willie Mays in a random debut league, am I?

No idea. Part of the bug does not transfer Mays to the OF as it used to. Seems to only affect NeL but maybe everyone. Don't know and can't test. Historicals took giant steps backwards the last 5 builds.

David Watts · 04-18-2017, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

No idea. Part of the bug does not transfer Mays to the OF as it used to. Seems to only affect NeL but maybe everyone. Don't know and can't test. Historicals took giant steps backwards the last 5 builds.

So, in otherwords, play fictional? Just kidding. I'm thinking random debut should be pretty safe. Guys are importing debut year.

Orcin · 04-18-2017, 03:55 PM

Where is that "raised eyebrow" emoticon when you need it?

congokurtz · 04-18-2017, 05:08 PM

Just curious, does anyone know if this just happens when the players in question share the same name?

Just debating whether I should continue my league or just go fictional or random debut

actionjackson · 04-18-2017, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

No idea. Part of the bug does not transfer Mays to the OF as it used to. Seems to only affect NeL but maybe everyone. Don't know and can't test. Historicals took giant steps backwards the last 5 builds.

Spritze, are you sure it's not the fact that the Willie Mays (mays--002wil) in the minor league database was given pitching stats for 1946 (his age 15 season) and 1948 (his age 17 season), which after scouring BB-Ref, I can find no evidence that he actually accumulated? Isn't that a more plausible explanation for what's happened than an import bug? Would that not cause someone who's playing their game with recalc off to see what congokurtz is seeing in his game? I just imported him into my game via the minor league database, and he does indeed import as a crummy RP. When using the MLB database though, he comes in properly as a CF because he has no pitching stats to make him a pitcher.

congokurtz · 04-18-2017, 08:15 PM

Yes, there was a Willie Mays who pitched in the minors and I think the Willie Mays used in my sim is the same Willie Mays, but I believe the game thinks this pitcher Willie Mays is the same as the legendary Willie Mays, the outfielder. Not sure what database the game uses to auto import players, but the historical id on the pitcher Willie Mays in my game is the same as the Willie Mays, the legendary OF, mayswi01

So if the game is importing the wrong Willie Mays I believe that does make it a glitch or a bug

Anyway, I went ahead and manually imported the 1951 Willie Mays the OF and he's now starting his rookie year in my 1954 season. Since this is a historical fiction league I can live with that. My concern is that there will be other players I will encounter the same problem.

actionjackson · 04-18-2017, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by congokurtz

Yes, there was a Willie Mays who pitched in the minors and I think the Willie Mays used in my sim is the same Willie Mays, but I believe the game thinks this pitcher Willie Mays is the same as the legendary Willie Mays, the outfielder. Not sure what database the game uses to auto import players, but the historical id on the pitcher Willie Mays in my game is the same as the Willie Mays, the legendary OF, mayswi01

So if the game is importing the wrong Willie Mays I believe that does make it a glitch or a bug

Anyway, I went ahead and manually imported the 1951 Willie Mays the OF and he's now starting his rookie year in my 1954 season. Since this is a historical fiction league I can live with that. My concern is that there will be other players I will encounter the same problem.

Can't be that way. Willie Mays (the great OF) is only importing as a pitcher when one uses the MiLB database. His player ID in that database is mays--002wil. That's where I would look for the problem if I was able to. I don't see any crossover between players i.e. another historical player in the MiLB database that has the same player ID, so the problem may not be there, but I agree with you that somehow Willie Mays (the great OF) has inherited Willie Mays' (the not so great Negro League pitcher) pitching stats.

When one uses the MLB Database, all is right with the world. Willie Mays (mayswi01) imports as a CF with no historical pitching stats who will most likely never take the mound.

congokurtz · 04-18-2017, 09:02 PM

So then the game by default must be using the MiLB database. I haven't manually changed anything in regards to what database the game uses to import players. I'm assuming it's using this database because I'm playing with historic minor leagues on. Anyway, this is all new to me since it's my first dabble with historical players. I usually play with fictional players. Is there a way I can check what database the game is using to import players?

Spritze · 04-18-2017, 09:20 PM

The second Mays, Willie was untwined from the first a while ago. I believe there are now only two in the Milb master. One is a pitcher and one is Willie Mays. Plus the William Mays guys. Not sure that fix and many more have made it into the game yet. Plus something has gone horribly wrong in the last two patches concerning player imports. Before that it worked. Now it don't.

crawdad5000 · 04-27-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

The second Mays, Willie was untwined from the first a while ago. I believe there is now only one in the Milb master. Not sure that fix and many more have made it into the game yet. Plus something has gone horribly wrong in the last two patches concerning player imports. Before that it worked. Now it don't.

I'm playing a historical from 1912 that's now in 1956. I have Willie Mays, the great OF, and William Mays, who is in Single A of the Redsox organization. Neither has any Real Pitching stats whatsoever. I'm using the default database. Haven't had an issue of players not playing in their primary positions. For example: Jimmie Foxx came in as a catcher but switched to OF/1B when he was supposed to. Hank Aaron started at 2b and now is in RF. Well, Roger Bresnahan started as a reliever and I did switch him to catcher.

crawdad5000 · 04-27-2017, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

What exactly does this effect? Is this strictly for historical leagues using complete minors? I'm not going to see a pitching Willie Mays in a random debut league, am I?

You shouldn't. My Willie Mays is the correct one, tearing up the league in the 50's just like he is supposed too. Historical League, complete minors, recalc on, ootp development on...no issues.

crawdad5000 · 04-27-2017, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by congokurtz

So then the game by default must be using the MiLB database. I haven't manually changed anything in regards to what database the game uses to import players. I'm assuming it's using this database because I'm playing with historic minor leagues on. Anyway, this is all new to me since it's my first dabble with historical players. I usually play with fictional players. Is there a way I can check what database the game is using to import players?

Should be under game settings/database. Third line down on the right.

actionjackson · 04-27-2017, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

What exactly does this effect? Is this strictly for historical leagues using complete minors? I'm not going to see a pitching Willie Mays in a random debut league, am I?

No, you won't see that because random debut only uses the MLB database which imports Willie Mays as mayswi01 and that version of Mr. Mays has no pitching stats whatsoever, so you're good to go.

crawdad5000 · 04-27-2017, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

No, you won't see that because random debut only uses the MLB database which imports Willie Mays as mayswi01 and that version of Mr. Mays has no pitching stats whatsoever, so you're good to go.

If you see my thread above, I have a universe going with historical, minors on, etc . I've run several historical replays in the last few years, including two in OOTP18 and never experienced this. Hope I never do.

satchel73 · 05-26-2017, 06:49 PM

If anybody is interested, here's the history behind this:

http://agatetype.typepad.com/agate_t...sea-lions.html

Short version: there were three guys named Willie Mays in the 1940s.

(1) the "real" Willie Mays;

(2) His dad, who only played in the Birmingham industrial leagues and shouldn't appear in any DBs; and

(3) A guy named Willie (Pee Wee, Double Duty, Tat, or Chet) Mays, a pitcher/catcher/infielder from 1935 - 1949, mostly for minor teams (like the Van Dyke Colored House of David, Oakland Monarchs, California Eagles, etc.). He was the pitcher for the '46 San Francisco Sea Lions, and may also have played for the St. Louis Stars of the Negro American League in 1937.

04-18-2017, 12:28 PM	#1
congokurtz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 141	Willie Mays a Closer?! (Possible Glitch) Ok, I'm playing a historical league with the player development engine on, so I understand player careers will vary substancially from their real life stats, however the Willie Mays player that I had in my league doesn't even remotely resemble the real life Willie Mays. I have automatically import historical rookies and import and real minor leagues on. Currently I just finished the 1953 season and it dawned on me Willie Mays has not made his ML debut yet. So I searched for Willie Mays and what popped up was a closer who pitched one year (1946) in the minors in my sim and his real life stats shows him pitching two seasons in the minors, 46 and 48. The Willie Mays in my sim was born May 26 1924, the real life Willie Mays, according to baseball-reference.com was born May 6th, 1931. Both Willie Mays were born in a town called Westfield, but the sim Willie Mays was born in Maryland, while the real Willie Mays was born in Alabama. The real Willie Mays made his ML debut in 1951and played in the negro leagues in 48 and a minor league in 1950. Anyway, this seems like a glitch to me. Has anyone else encounter this problem? Thanks

04-18-2017, 02:47 PM	#3
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	This bug started with build 40 when player import got broke. It should be fixed in the next few months. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

04-18-2017, 09:20 PM	#14
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	The second Mays, Willie was untwined from the first a while ago. I believe there are now only two in the Milb master. One is a pitcher and one is Willie Mays. Plus the William Mays guys. Not sure that fix and many more have made it into the game yet. Plus something has gone horribly wrong in the last two patches concerning player imports. Before that it worked. Now it don't. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 04-27-2017 at 01:42 PM.

05-26-2017, 06:49 PM	#20
satchel73 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 50	If anybody is interested, here's the history behind this: http://agatetype.typepad.com/agate_t...sea-lions.html Short version: there were three guys named Willie Mays in the 1940s. (1) the "real" Willie Mays; (2) His dad, who only played in the Birmingham industrial leagues and shouldn't appear in any DBs; and (3) A guy named Willie (Pee Wee, Double Duty, Tat, or Chet) Mays, a pitcher/catcher/infielder from 1935 - 1949, mostly for minor teams (like the Van Dyke Colored House of David, Oakland Monarchs, California Eagles, etc.). He was the pitcher for the '46 San Francisco Sea Lions, and may also have played for the St. Louis Stars of the Negro American League in 1937. __________________

04-18-2017, 12:39 PM	#2
Jamee999 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 769	What import / historical development / etc settings do you have on?

04-18-2017, 02:56 PM	#4
congokurtz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 141	The following settings are on: automatically import historical player-creation modifiers; import and maintain real minor leagues; base player roles/positions on real life stats; automatically adjust league strategy when advancing to next season; automatically import historical rookies; automatically adjust league modifiers after each season for accuracy; player development is on. Just to clarify recalculation is off, so I understand players will vary substantially from their real life ratings. The league started the 1920 season. I'm playing with real teams however real players enter the draft pool

04-18-2017, 03:55 PM	#8
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Where is that "raised eyebrow" emoticon when you need it?

04-18-2017, 05:08 PM	#9
congokurtz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 141	Just curious, does anyone know if this just happens when the players in question share the same name? Just debating whether I should continue my league or just go fictional or random debut

04-18-2017, 08:15 PM	#11
congokurtz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 141	Yes, there was a Willie Mays who pitched in the minors and I think the Willie Mays used in my sim is the same Willie Mays, but I believe the game thinks this pitcher Willie Mays is the same as the legendary Willie Mays, the outfielder. Not sure what database the game uses to auto import players, but the historical id on the pitcher Willie Mays in my game is the same as the Willie Mays, the legendary OF, mayswi01 So if the game is importing the wrong Willie Mays I believe that does make it a glitch or a bug Anyway, I went ahead and manually imported the 1951 Willie Mays the OF and he's now starting his rookie year in my 1954 season. Since this is a historical fiction league I can live with that. My concern is that there will be other players I will encounter the same problem.

04-18-2017, 09:02 PM	#13
congokurtz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 141	So then the game by default must be using the MiLB database. I haven't manually changed anything in regards to what database the game uses to import players. I'm assuming it's using this database because I'm playing with historic minor leagues on. Anyway, this is all new to me since it's my first dabble with historical players. I usually play with fictional players. Is there a way I can check what database the game is using to import players?