NFL 2019 Thread - Page 50

Déjà Bru · 01-01-2020, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

They are - sports is like everything else in the world now, winning isn't measured on the field, it's measured on spreadsheets.

While I like Cobra Mgr's answer, this one supersedes it. Incredibly, while some franchises fail year after year, they remain profitable because fans continue to patronize them. Fans may come to the stadium with paper bags over their heads but their seats were paid for by someone, them or somebody who gave them the tickets. Incompetence is rewarded and therefore it goes on and on and on.

Cobra Mgr · 01-01-2020, 02:42 PM

Ragnar · 01-01-2020, 04:01 PM

I had to chuckle when I saw that Brett Favre made the top 100. I don't believe I have ever seen a QB be as reckless with the football and play as long as he did. I am just very happy that Green Bay got Favre and Dallas got Aikman. He's pretty much the only quarterback out of the "allegedly" greats that I wouldn't want near a team I liked even when he was in his prime.

dkgo · 01-02-2020, 09:44 AM

Favre's prime was better than Aikmans.

Aikman was a pretty medium QB who happened to be on some great teams. He threw 20 TD passes once. Favre did 15 times. Their interception and efficiency rates are similar but Favre did it for more than twice as many attempts.

Cobra Mgr · 01-02-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

I had to chuckle when I saw that Brett Favre made the top 100. I don't believe I have ever seen a QB be as reckless with the football and play as long as he did. I am just very happy that Green Bay got Favre and Dallas got Aikman. He's pretty much the only quarterback out of the "allegedly" greats that I wouldn't want near a team I liked even when he was in his prime.

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Originally Posted by dkgo

Favre's prime was better than Aikmans.

Aikman was a pretty medium QB who happened to be on some great teams. He threw 20 TD passes once. Favre did 15 times. Their interception and efficiency rates are similar but Favre did it for more than twice as many attempts.

I agree w/both of your assessments. If Favre took his craft as seriously as Troy, no telling how good the Packers could have been. Favre wouldn't have been Favre though w/o the devil-may-care attitude. Troy was just what those wild Cowboys needed in a QB. Do the job. Steady. Winning comes first. Favre was the Cpt Kirk of the NFL. Full of ego. Spectacular mistakes followed by spectacular triumphs or visa versa. Definitely more talented than Troy, but his selfish behavior would have tilted the balance of the Dallas dynasty.

Ragnar · 01-02-2020, 01:35 PM

More spectacular mistakes than triumphs by a long shot. I'll give him credit, he's got the record for most picks.

I heard a stat once while he was playing for either the jets or Vikings. It was that he never came back from being 14 points down. I think he did it that day. That stat didn't surprise me in the slightest. Most overrated qb In the history of the game.

low · 01-02-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

More spectacular mistakes than triumphs by a long shot. I'll give him credit, he's got the record for most picks.

I heard a stat once while he was playing for either the jets or Vikings. It was that he never came back from being 14 points down. I think he did it that day. That stat didn't surprise me in the slightest. Most overrated qb In the history of the game.

Joe Namath wants a word with you.

dkgo · 01-02-2020, 03:23 PM

Seems like your memory is based on media narratives instead of actual stats. Not uncommon, people often cling to stories. But every efficiency stat out there shows that Favre is better and that's including several poor seasons into his 40s while Aikman was washed out at 34. His prime was a different tier entirely.

Ragnar · 01-02-2020, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

Seems like your memory is based on media narratives instead of actual stats. Not uncommon, people often cling to stories. But every efficiency stat out there shows that Favre is better and that's including several poor seasons into his 40s while Aikman was washed out at 34. His prime was a different tier entirely.

I really don't care to compare QB on two totally different teams with two totally different systems. Aikman never had to do the stuff Favre did. Just protect the ball and give it to Emmitt. Sit behind that OL and throw it to Irvin. Not give away playoff games with costly turnovers.

Ragnar · 01-02-2020, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by low

Joe Namath wants a word with you.

Yeah, you're probably right, and this isn't the first time I heard this. But the thing is, I never got to see him play except for games I watch on you tube.

pilight · 01-02-2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

I really don't care to compare QB on two totally different teams with two totally different systems. Aikman never had to do the stuff Favre did. Just protect the ball and give it to Emmitt. Sit behind that OL and throw it to Irvin. Not give away playoff games with costly turnovers.

Indeed, Favre significantly reduced his INT% in the playoffs while Aikman's rose. They have similar playoff INT rates.

Ragnar · 01-02-2020, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

Indeed, Favre significantly reduced his INT% in the playoffs while Aikman's rose. They have similar playoff INT rates.

Sometimes when someone throws an INT matters more. How about that int in 2009 against the Saints? Just threw away the Championship game with one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a supposedly elite QB make. I could go on.

If you want to keep comparing Aikman to Favre, how did they do when they faced eachother? At one point the Cowboys won 8 straight including the regular season game the year the Packers won the Super Bowl.

Cobra Mgr · 01-02-2020, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

Boy....not much rumbling from Dallas. Is it possible? Dare I say? Can it be?
Jason Garrett's job is....*gulp*......*hack*........SAFE?!

Maybe they still keep him, but Jerruh calls the shots on coordinators?

Cowboys part ways w/Garrett.

I know you're shocked.

Ragnar · 01-02-2020, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Cowboys part ways w/Garrett.

I know you're shocked.

Where are you getting this info from? I don't know of any parting ways with Garrett. If anything, I think they are negotiating his extension, not departure./

damientheomen3 · 01-03-2020, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

Where are you getting this info from? I don't know of any parting ways with Garrett. If anything, I think they are negotiating his extension, not departure./

Reports are that Garrett and Jones didn't meet yesterday like they were supposed to. Some websites, like ESPN, are reporting that sources are saying they're parting ways.

ukhotstove · 01-03-2020, 10:19 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...in-dallas/amp/

No idea how reliable they are but found it a good read.

Ragnar · 01-03-2020, 04:07 PM

I'm going to wait and believe it when I see it. When he is finally removed, preferably by defenestration, I'm going to have the biggest night of debauchery in my lifetime. But it's all rumors until then.

The next step would be dealing with the situation of our quarterback. He's supposedly asking for top dollar, and even though I like the dude, he's not worth it. Transition tag him and draft another QB.

Ragnar · 01-03-2020, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

He better legitimize him soon.

Cobra Mgr · 01-04-2020, 11:24 PM

ForeverRoyalKC · 01-04-2020, 11:27 PM

*Ahem...*

Let me clear my throat....*AHEM!*

The 9-7 Titans JUST BEAT...

...the 12-4 Patriots...in the PLAYOFFS...in

GILLETTE!!

Man!...That. Felt. Goooooooooooooooooood!

I'm just sorry that the Chiefs didnt get to exact revenge at Arrowhead, but...I'll take this too!

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ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	Ahem... Let me clear my throat....AHEM! The 9-7 Titans JUST BEAT......the 12-4 Patriots...in the PLAYOFFS...in GILLETTE!! Man!...That. Felt. Goooooooooooooooooood! I'm just sorry that the Chiefs didnt get to exact revenge at Arrowhead, but...I'll take this too!

01-01-2020, 04:01 PM	#983
Ragnar Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,009	I had to chuckle when I saw that Brett Favre made the top 100. I don't believe I have ever seen a QB be as reckless with the football and play as long as he did. I am just very happy that Green Bay got Favre and Dallas got Aikman. He's pretty much the only quarterback out of the "allegedly" greats that I wouldn't want near a team I liked even when he was in his prime.

01-02-2020, 09:44 AM	#984
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Favre's prime was better than Aikmans. Aikman was a pretty medium QB who happened to be on some great teams. He threw 20 TD passes once. Favre did 15 times. Their interception and efficiency rates are similar but Favre did it for more than twice as many attempts.

01-02-2020, 01:35 PM	#986
Ragnar Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,009	More spectacular mistakes than triumphs by a long shot. I'll give him credit, he's got the record for most picks. I heard a stat once while he was playing for either the jets or Vikings. It was that he never came back from being 14 points down. I think he did it that day. That stat didn't surprise me in the slightest. Most overrated qb In the history of the game.

01-02-2020, 03:23 PM	#988
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Seems like your memory is based on media narratives instead of actual stats. Not uncommon, people often cling to stories. But every efficiency stat out there shows that Favre is better and that's including several poor seasons into his 40s while Aikman was washed out at 34. His prime was a different tier entirely.

01-03-2020, 04:07 PM	#997
Ragnar Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,009	I'm going to wait and believe it when I see it. When he is finally removed, preferably by defenestration, I'm going to have the biggest night of debauchery in my lifetime. But it's all rumors until then. The next step would be dealing with the situation of our quarterback. He's supposedly asking for top dollar, and even though I like the dude, he's not worth it. Transition tag him and draft another QB.