More DH Discussion - Page 2

Le Grande Orange · 09-14-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Do not forget the 'designated base runners'.....and someone to stand out in left field next to Lonnie Smith to make his throws for him......

I would point out that the idea of designated or courtesy runners has been proposed in the past.

MorseMoose · 09-14-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I would point out that the idea of designated or courtesy runners has been proposed in the past.

And is used in little league through high school.

MorseMoose · 09-14-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by swoboda

No DH.
Baseball = 9 guys in the lineup not 10

So, let's get rid of the bench and bullpen, too!! No substitutions, baseball is 9 guys!!

Questdog · 09-14-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

So, let's get rid of the bench and bullpen, too!! No substitutions, baseball is 9 guys!!

I'm for that!

I actually started my varsity baseball career as a regular courtesy runner for our big fat 1st baseman when I was in 8th grade.

MorseMoose · 09-14-2015, 05:07 PM

I do not get why people want to see the pitcher hitting. Sure, it's great when they hit a HR, but that's like once every 200 pitcher at bats or something probably less. The other 880 times, they're out. 11% of your line-up sucks and that is boring. Boring. Boring.

Once the SP is out, relief pitchers don't hit anyway; so, ohhhh...I have to figure out how to do a double switch. It's strategy! No it's not. It's a gimmick to be different than the DH. Double switches are just as gimmicky as a DH. There, I said it. Sure, it's what the game was like years ago...but that was when pitchers were halfway to being a decent batter, not 10% decent. The game has changed in dozens of ways, all to make the game better and more interesting for the fan.

I've never once said, "OOOooOOO...It's a double switch!! YEAH!! MY FAVORITE PART OF THE GAMMMMMMMEEEEE!!!!"

Questdog · 09-14-2015, 05:34 PM

As I said before the DH is just illogical.

If you don't want pitchers hitting, just bat 8 players.

But pitchers are not as bad at hitting as you seem to think. They get a hit about half as often as a regular batter. And the pitchers that are good hitters are something special that should not be taken away from the game.

Edit: The Dodger's pitchers are actually hitting at a rate more than double that of their DH's.......

MorseMoose · 09-14-2015, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

As I said before the DH is just illogical.

Just as illogical as a player being out after a foul ball on a bunt with two strikes. Just as illogical as pine-tar being legal, but a spit ball being illegal. Just as illogical as a first basement and catcher being able to use specialized gloves. Almost every rule in baseball is illogical or arbitrary. It's a rule...a rule made by people.

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If you don't want pitchers hitting, just bat 8 players.

Or, you know...have a player hit for the pitcher.

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But pitchers are not as bad at hitting as you seem to think. They get a hit about half as often as a regular batter. And the pitchers that are good hitters are something special that should not be taken away from the game.

Edit: The Dodger's pitchers are actually hitting at a rate more than double that of their DH's.......

Then, have the DH bat for someone else. Or, don't use a DH. If you want your pitchers to hit, have them hit. If it's so great, why not have the NL teams hit their pitcher when playing an AL team.

Bowtie · 09-14-2015, 06:26 PM

I am all for getting rid of the DH and interleague play. Call me a homer but I like the NL style of gameplay as opposed to the AL. The strategy in the NL is far more interesting than seeing Big Papi come up to bat 3 or 4 times per game and get paid tons of $$$ to sit on his fanny most of the game. I have never really liked the DH.

As for Interleague play, that doesn't interest me either. Again, call me a homer or old school but I want to see baseball get as close to the way it was back in the 1970's and 80's - where you only had teams playing within their league. It does make games like the AS and WS much more interesting if the guys are facing each other for the first time.

Questdog · 09-14-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Just as illogical as a player being out after a foul ball on a bunt with two strikes. Just as illogical as pine-tar being legal, but a spit ball being illegal. Just as illogical as a first basement and catcher being able to use specialized gloves. Almost every rule in baseball is illogical or arbitrary. It's a rule...a rule made by people.

That is nonsensical.....none of those things you mentioned are illogical or arbitrary.......I think you need to look up the meaning of arbitrary.....

P.S. I never said the DH was arbitrary, just illogical.....baseball is a game designed for 9 players with each taking his turn at bat. Why should an outsider, not otherwise participating in the game , be allowed to hit?

P.S.P.S. You are not allowed to use the DH in MLB for anyone but the pitcher.....

Rizon · 09-14-2015, 07:23 PM

I think to appease both sides they should have one league with the DH and one league without.

Texasborn · 09-14-2015, 07:43 PM

I agree with the above statement,the MLB needs to keep its current rules on DH.

MorseMoose · 09-14-2015, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

That is nonsensical.....none of those things you mentioned are illogical or arbitrary.......I think you need to look up the meaning of arbitrary.....

Arbitrary. based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

There is no reason for those various rules to be in place except for somebody (or a group of people) deciding it to be so.

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P.S. I never said the DH was arbitrary, just illogical.....baseball is a game designed for 9 players with each taking his turn at bat. Why should an outsider, not otherwise participating in the game , be allowed to hit?

Because that is what a group of people decided to make the rules. Baseball is a game where a team fields/pitches in an attempt to get the other team who who...bats and attempts to score runs. That's it. There was a point when there wasn't even a fixed batting order. But the rules were adjusted to make it fixed. Also, how's he an outsider, he's apart of the team and apart of the line-up. Do you really think there shouldn't be any substitutions either? I mean, why allow a RP? The person starting the game as pitcher should end it too...teams should only pitch guys that can last the entire game.

There is nothing more illogical about the DH than any of the other rule changes.

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P.S.P.S. You are not allowed to use the DH in MLB for anyone but the pitcher.....

Didn't know that. I'd make that change...the DH can be used for any hitter that the team chooses.

MorseMoose · 09-14-2015, 08:32 PM

But that's enough of this. I don't really care if they change the rules, I just think hating the DH is dumb. It's a rule like any other. Thinking it's something else is...I don't know...illogical, or something. DH or not DH, it's going to come down to personal preference.

magnet 2.0 · 09-14-2015, 08:46 PM

@Questdog: I like how because you disagree, it's "illogical." Both sides have logical reasoning. You don't have exclusivity on logic.

Questdog · 09-14-2015, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet 2.0

@Questdog: I like how because you disagree, it's "illogical." Both sides have logical reasoning. You don't have exclusivity on logic.

Uh, you need to re-read my contract......

09-14-2015, 05:34 PM	#26
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	As I said before the DH is just illogical. If you don't want pitchers hitting, just bat 8 players. But pitchers are not as bad at hitting as you seem to think. They get a hit about half as often as a regular batter. And the pitchers that are good hitters are something special that should not be taken away from the game. Edit: The Dodger's pitchers are actually hitting at a rate more than double that of their DH's....... Last edited by Questdog; 09-14-2015 at 05:41 PM.

09-14-2015, 06:26 PM	#28
Bowtie All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,316	I am all for getting rid of the DH and interleague play. Call me a homer but I like the NL style of gameplay as opposed to the AL. The strategy in the NL is far more interesting than seeing Big Papi come up to bat 3 or 4 times per game and get paid tons of $$$ to sit on his fanny most of the game. I have never really liked the DH. As for Interleague play, that doesn't interest me either. Again, call me a homer or old school but I want to see baseball get as close to the way it was back in the 1970's and 80's - where you only had teams playing within their league. It does make games like the AS and WS much more interesting if the guys are facing each other for the first time. __________________

09-14-2015, 07:23 PM	#30
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,363	I think to appease both sides they should have one league with the DH and one league without. __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

09-14-2015, 05:07 PM	#25
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Blog Entries: 4 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	I do not get why people want to see the pitcher hitting. Sure, it's great when they hit a HR, but that's like once every 200 pitcher at bats or something probably less. The other 880 times, they're out. 11% of your line-up sucks and that is boring. Boring. Boring. Once the SP is out, relief pitchers don't hit anyway; so, ohhhh...I have to figure out how to do a double switch. It's strategy! No it's not. It's a gimmick to be different than the DH. Double switches are just as gimmicky as a DH. There, I said it. Sure, it's what the game was like years ago...but that was when pitchers were halfway to being a decent batter, not 10% decent. The game has changed in dozens of ways, all to make the game better and more interesting for the fan. I've never once said, "OOOooOOO...It's a double switch!! YEAH!! MY FAVORITE PART OF THE GAMMMMMMMEEEEE!!!!"

09-14-2015, 07:43 PM	#31
Texasborn Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: ??? Posts: 330	I agree with the above statement,the MLB needs to keep its current rules on DH.

09-14-2015, 08:32 PM	#33
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Blog Entries: 4 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	But that's enough of this. I don't really care if they change the rules, I just think hating the DH is dumb. It's a rule like any other. Thinking it's something else is...I don't know...illogical, or something. DH or not DH, it's going to come down to personal preference.

09-14-2015, 08:46 PM	#34
magnet 2.0 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 70	@Questdog: I like how because you disagree, it's "illogical." Both sides have logical reasoning. You don't have exclusivity on logic.